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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 1:14 pm Post subject: Them And Us
VS has a fixation with this. I wondered other peoples views.
I am a solicitor would say i am neither them nor us. I am not a partner so maybe i am an us in the same way VS is.
However i feel just as happy chatting with the senior partner as the office junior. I have never understood solicitors who talk down to secretaries or support staff as if they are beneath them. Any company needs staff and management at every level to function properley. I can't type to save my life and my secretary knows her job so well she often picks up on my mistakes. she is no less intelligent than me but probabley not had the same chances in life as i have..
our office goes out togther once a month and there is never a divide of who groups together.the secretaries take the p**s out of the fee earners and vice versa.
Do i see the world through rose tinted specs or is there really a them and us. _________________ There are two certainties in life Death and Taxes they no longer tax betting so there may be a god
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Personally 9see the other thread) I think the them and us mentality is perpetuated by a small number of non-management individuals rather than boses. sadly, many are in positions of authority in their unions and my current experience s an empoyent lawyer is that the members are in the main more realistic than their leaders about the current state of things.
The post office balot is a classic example of luddite thinking from a union leadership who are hoodwinking their members; scargill wa a geat exampe of it; go on lads, out on strike, dmage the business, get no pay, i will still be reeiving a large salary (more than almost all the employees of the organisation by the way) and at the end of it you will all be worse off
if there is a national postal stike the only result will be a further erosion of the Royal Mail's business, parcels and packages will be carried by otehr providers and most business mail already goes nowhere near them anyway. Asindividuals now use email and oterh forms of communication the letter trad is dying on its feet.
the reaction of the union to this changing world is to resist modernisation. The service the business provides is, in the main, poor and recent publicity surrounding postmen who deliberatley leave large items at the depot and post a "you were out" card through the door to make their rounds quicker is but one example.
Applies to some but not all, of course, but you are as strong as your weakest link.
I work in a 100+ office with partners, assocites, solicitors, support staff of various levels etc. Whilst some hierachy is inevitable it is a relaxed, friendly environment which is reflected in the non-work activities which people engage in across the Them and Us divide as some would see it.
I can't see in themodern world many if any "bosses" who cause this problem. It lies in my experience int he retrogressive views of a small but vicferous minority of employees who have a bigger than waranted say through organised labour groupigs, although the number of unions in this category is now, thankfully, diminishing, and the number of more progressive thinking unions is on the up. _________________ Geordie_R
"A should of known there mum was buying banana's"
It's interesting that Geordie's is similiar to mine.
Before becoming a solicitor i was an engineer and worked in a company the designed and made turbos. There were the designers and then the shop floor and a very definate them and us. This was years ago but i wonder whether professional services has less of a them and us mentality than manufacturing. _________________ There are two certainties in life Death and Taxes they no longer tax betting so there may be a god
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There is a bit of "them and us" here at the university. Basically us secretaries see them professors as naughty children who have to be gently bullied into towing the line. Mine are pretty well trained now and sign everything that's put in front of them. _________________ Known as the catch of the camp.
I think over time it now happens outside the workplace more so than in.
For which I again blame Supermarkets for
How exactly?
Because people from different walks of life generally will not have anywhere socially on a regular basis that they would ever meet and talk anymore because everybody now goes to the supermarket to buy there under cut priced alcohol.
How often these days would a solicitor or an accountant talk to or even be social friends with a refuse collector or ground worker.
Them and Us _________________ Forest are Treemendous
Interesting. Pubs are certainly threatened by cut-price booze, but I'm not sure they were always bastions of inter-class (it is a class thing you mean?) friendship. I've probably met more people from different backgrounds teaching English abroad and at Forum meetings at the races than in pubs and bars. _________________ Known as the catch of the camp.
Interesting. Pubs are certainly threatened by cut-price booze, but I'm not sure they were always bastions of inter-class (it is a class thing you mean?) friendship. I've probably met more people from different backgrounds teaching English abroad and at Forum meetings at the races than in pubs and bars.
Probably not always bastions(todays new word) of Inter-class but certainly I can remember Friday afternons where people would filter into pubs from 1:00pm from all types of Jobs Just for a friendly chat and drink before they made there way home. _________________ Forest are Treemendous
The pubs in London are always rammed on Friday nights.
The increased stigma of drink driving probably means a lot of people may no longer want to have just one if they're driving home from work. _________________ Known as the catch of the camp.
I think over time it now happens outside the workplace more so than in.
For which I again blame Supermarkets for
How exactly?
Because people from different walks of life generally will not have anywhere socially on a regular basis that they would ever meet and talk anymore because everybody now goes to the supermarket to buy there under cut priced alcohol.
How often these days would a solicitor or an accountant talk to or even be social friends with a refuse collector or ground worker.
Them and Us
question is would soemeone with the integrity of a ground worker talk to a parriah like me? _________________ Geordie_R
"A should of known there mum was buying banana's"
I think over time it now happens outside the workplace more so than in.
For which I again blame Supermarkets for
How exactly?
Because people from different walks of life generally will not have anywhere socially on a regular basis that they would ever meet and talk anymore because everybody now goes to the supermarket to buy there under cut priced alcohol.
How often these days would a solicitor or an accountant talk to or even be social friends with a refuse collector or ground worker.
Them and Us
question is would soemeone with the integrity of a ground worker talk to a parriah like me?
A lot of it has to do with Just how the English behave socially or certainly have come to behave over the years. Although it was along time ago when I was In New Zealand I found that when someone walked into a pub they generally went to a table where people were already sat wether they new them or not, I know this because on about 3 or 4 occasions me and my mate were sat down and people had walked in and Just come and sat down with us and started talking and we definately did not know them. Here however as we all know people would always walk Into a pub and go to an empty table
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