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geordie_racer
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 Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 7:21 am Post subject: THE MERCURY PRIZE |
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Best British Album of the year.....
who?
Speech DeBelle?
less than 3000 copies sold
do me a favour
posing of the worst order by the judges.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 7:24 am Post subject: |
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Definitely NOT a barometer off the music scene. 
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| Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 7:32 am Post subject: Re: THE MERCURY PRIZE |
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| geordie_racer wrote: |
less than 3000 copies sold
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I've never heard of her either and can't comment on her music until I have heard it. However, how many albums someone has or hasn't sold should NEVER be an indication of how good or bad they are. By that theory the Spice Girls are one of the greatest bands of all time!
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geordie_racer
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| Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 8:47 am Post subject: Re: THE MERCURY PRIZE |
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| Jimbob wrote: | | geordie_racer wrote: |
less than 3000 copies sold
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I've never heard of her either and can't comment on her music until I have heard it. However, how many albums someone has or hasn't sold should NEVER be an indication of how good or bad they are. By that theory the Spice Girls are one of the greatest bands of all time! |
jimbob word of mouth and the internet would get sales up into 5 figs if it was worth while
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I listened to a lot of this on 6 Music last night and was seriously impressed by a lot of the artists featured. I have since heard snippets of the winning album on Amazon and will probably now buy or download it.
The jazz group, Led Bib, were pretty cool so will probably get that album too.
I like the Mercury awards. They are pretty diverse with the styles that get nominated and bring to my attention bands that I may not have accessed otherwise. I am a big fan of the Guillemots. They would have been way off my radar had they not been nominated a few years ago.
Totally agree with Jimbob's comments - You can't judge an album totally on copies sold. |
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johnnio
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| Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 10:28 am Post subject: |
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It's definitely one of the better awards. At least it's not sponsored by big record companies who quite blatantly manipulate the nominations so that only the artists/bands they deem marketable enough and profitable enough get in. I think most award ceremonies are a load of balls anyway.
Haven't heard her album, but I'm really glad she's won it, as I like the underdog winning and this is one of the only times it can actually happen these days. |
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stupid result, weak nominations and they just chose her to look different and unexpected. look what happened the last time they did this, it launched the career of dizzy rascal 
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ngreggors
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| gromero wrote: | | stupid result, weak nominations and they just chose her to look different and unexpected. look what happened the last time they did this, it launched the career of dizzy rascal |
Couldn't disagree more.
The Mercury awards are a cut above any of the other awards due to the diversity and obscurity of the nominees.
If you want "big" bands or acts that win multiple awards in a night then you've got the Brits and the MTV awards etc, the Mercury awards aren't about that. |
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| gromero wrote: | | stupid result, weak nominations and they just chose her to look different and unexpected. look what happened the last time they did this, it launched the career of dizzy rascal |
Dizzee Rascal, while not being the smartest sandwich in the picnic, is actually an incredibly talented rapper.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 10:06 pm Post subject: Re: THE MERCURY PRIZE |
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| geordie_racer wrote: | | Jimbob wrote: | | geordie_racer wrote: |
less than 3000 copies sold
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I've never heard of her either and can't comment on her music until I have heard it. However, how many albums someone has or hasn't sold should NEVER be an indication of how good or bad they are. By that theory the Spice Girls are one of the greatest bands of all time! |
jimbob word of mouth and the internet would get sales up into 5 figs if it was worth while |
Sorry Geordie but speaking as someone who used to work in the music business, that simply isn't true. There are so many bands and artists out there that deserve to be a lot better known than they are.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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If you want awards dictated solely by record sales and mainstream popularity; turn off your brain and watch the Brit Awards.
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| ngreggors wrote: | | gromero wrote: | | stupid result, weak nominations and they just chose her to look different and unexpected. look what happened the last time they did this, it launched the career of dizzy rascal |
Couldn't disagree more.
The Mercury awards are a cut above any of the other awards due to the diversity and obscurity of the nominees.
If you want "big" bands or acts that win multiple awards in a night then you've got the Brits and the MTV awards etc, the Mercury awards aren't about that. |
No offence ngreggors, but if you think the mercury music awards reflects the musical diversity and musical tastes in this country, then you really must get out more.
90% of the nominations are indie based guitar light rock, with the odd bit of hip hop and one obligatory obscure act/band (this year that jazz band deb lib I think they're called).
I agree they do a much better job than the Brits/MTV but those awards are for pop music. Mercury is supposed to be about all genres and based solely on the quality of the album.
I could name 10 artists/act/bands that have released much better albums than all the nominations in the last few years that have broken new ground, received more critical acclaim, but just not in the nme/times/guardian, performed live more often across the globe and not just in camden or liverpool and put on better shows, yet still haven't got a look in for a Mercury nomination.
The Mercury is just another pointless back slapping narrow minded music industry fuelled award imo.
But by the way, I'm not saying all the acts nominated this and previous years are all bad, I'm not saying that at all. I've seen Kasabian live and they're alright, I like Florence and the Machines a bit, and I think Le Roux is interesting. But their nominations are so obvious.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:51 am Post subject: |
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| gromero wrote: |
No offence ngreggors, but if you think the mercury music awards reflects the musical diversity and musical tastes in this country, then you really must get out more.
90% of the nominations are indie based guitar light rock, with the odd bit of hip hop and one obligatory obscure act/band (this year that jazz band deb lib I think they're called).
I agree they do a much better job than the Brits/MTV but those awards are for pop music. Mercury is supposed to be about all genres and based solely on the quality of the album.
I could name 10 artists/act/bands that have released much better albums than all the nominations in the last few years that have broken new ground, received more critical acclaim, but just not in the nme/times/guardian, performed live more often across the globe and not just in camden or liverpool and put on better shows, yet still haven't got a look in for a Mercury nomination.
The Mercury is just another pointless back slapping narrow minded music industry fuelled award imo.
But by the way, I'm not saying all the acts nominated this and previous years are all bad, I'm not saying that at all. I've seen Kasabian live and they're alright, I like Florence and the Machines a bit, and I think Le Roux is interesting. But their nominations are so obvious. |
When did I say I thought that the mercury music awards reflects the musical diversity and musical tastes in this country? All I said was that it is the most credible music award that I am aware of and the one that I take the most notice of if I fancy taking a punt on a different CD / download.
Look at a list of early previous winners. Primal Scream , Portishead, Roni Size, Talvin Singh etc - hardly indie based guitar light rock, with the odd bit of hip hop. |
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Darren
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| Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:01 am Post subject: |
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Arguing about the legitimacy of awards is a strange one.
My view is that music is entirely subjective, and highly personal to one's tastes. Therefore a panel of judges will also reflect an individual's tastes, but more than one.
Nothing can ever reflect the 'quality' of music, because it is all opinion.
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For those of you who like the local band scene and interesting facts about the record business, this link to my firends book may be of interest.
http://www.lastshopstanding.co.uk/index.html?_ret_=return
I assure you i am not on commission but he is such a nice lad and his knowledge and enthusiasm for music is second to none.
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