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lochsong

2009 Formula One season

Bad news.

Honda have folded due to the recession. The Japs are protecting their main interests.

shamardal84

Hamilton NAP
The LUFCwaffe

Re: 2009 Formula One season

lochsong wrote:
Bad news.

Honda have folded due to the recession. The Japs are protecting their main interests.



I'm a bit lost here, why have Honda folded due to the recession?
Jimbob

Re: 2009 Formula One season

The LUFCwaffe wrote:
lochsong wrote:
Bad news.

Honda have folded due to the recession. The Japs are protecting their main interests.



I'm a bit lost here, why have Honda folded due to the recession?


Honda have pulled out of F1 as the economic circumstances are such that they can't justify running a team anymore!

I don't think they'll be the only F1 team to fall victim to the economic downturn. It's very worrying and the FIA are putting in a lot of new cost cutting rules that a couple of years ago would be considered OTT but now is considered 100% necesary
lochsong

Anyone seen the new F1 car design? Crap.

Much higher/narrower tail fin. All slick tyres. Narrower chassis.
Jimbob

You may say that I would say this but you're not going to get many better 6/4 shots than Ferrari to win the Constructors Championship. McLaren are too focused on Hamilton and nobody else really stands a chance!
shamardal84

Re: 2009 Formula One season

Jimbob wrote:
The LUFCwaffe wrote:
lochsong wrote:
Bad news.

Honda have folded due to the recession. The Japs are protecting their main interests.



I'm a bit lost here, why have Honda folded due to the recession?


Honda have pulled out of F1 as the economic circumstances are such that they can't justify running a team anymore!

I don't think they'll be the only F1 team to fall victim to the economic downturn. It's very worrying and the FIA are putting in a lot of new cost cutting rules that a couple of years ago would be considered OTT but now is considered 100% necesary


Global crisis hits Renault team

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7892526.stm
Gorg_George

I wish they'd just get on and just cease to operate. F1 has not been real car racing in over a decade.
pericolo topo

I still can't believe Hamilton is still favourite this year. The Mclaren is obviously rubbish, slowest in Barcelona and even they have admitted it.

Do yourselves a favour this year - LAY Hamilton now. After 3 races in midfield he'll drift to 10-1; back him later and guarantee yourself a profit. I think he's a great driver, but he can't make a dog drive well and finishing in the points in the first 3 races will be a result.

Re positive betting; you could do worse than a couple of quid on Button for the championship. The Brawn GP car looks very good (ok, they're trying for sponsorship) but it's still extraordinarily fast and reliable in testing. Best part of 20-1 (Bfair) is a great A/post bet. Their form, if confirmed, will quickly contract these odds.

All the best, PT.
pericolo topo

Once again the Brawn GP car looks very positive in testing and BMW and Ferrari are already saying that it's going to be the main rival this season.

Today Alonso only just shaded it to finish quickest in a car that has seen 1000's of miles more development. Jenson is still 13-1 (still value cf Hamilton) on betfair and Barichello is a, frankly insulting, 24-1 shot. They will be much shorter odds after a few races and, despite being quickest, also have the most potential for improvement, having had fewer iterations of testing.

The Mclaren is still 1 second slower than the Brawn despite all of their testing work.
lochsong

Bernie has put the kalabash on team tactics towards the end of the season.

The driver that wins the most races, not the most points, wins the championship.

This could spice things up a bit.

Having reflected on that for a moment, it will probably destroy a few careers.

And create a spectacular crash at the end letting someone else in.

Can't wait.
Jimbob

lochsong wrote:
Bernie has put the kalabash on team tactics towards the end of the season.

The driver that wins the most races, not the most points, wins the championship.

This could spice things up a bit.

Having reflected on that for a moment, it will probably destroy a few careers.

And create a spectacular crash at the end letting someone else in.

Can't wait.


Bernie haqs officially lost the plot. Even though if they had this system in last year the rightful champion, Felipe Massa and not Lewis Glock(sorry Hamilton) would be champion, I'm 100% against this. It will make the sport the laughing stock of the motorsports world(if it isn't already) people are already turning away in their droves and converting to ghastly things such as Moto GP or IRL(or even, dare I say it, A1 GP) and this is just going to make the wave a tsunami. What other sport in the world is the Championship decided in a completely different manner to every other position? It's farcical
lochsong

Can't get my head around it either.

Ultimate power corrupts ultimately. (best I could come up with)

His (Bernie's) wife saw it coming - has she left him?

Sadly, I suspect nobody else wants the F1 supremo job.

And even if they did it looks like the little runt has a stranglehold on it.
kickingkyle

BREAKING NEWS

F1 plan to scrap the new scoring system
Rowan

It's a blooming shambles and it hasn't even started yet!

Quote:
Formula 1 has axed plans for a new scoring system in 2009 just nine days before the start of the season.

The sport's governing body, FIA, announced earlier this week that the driver with the most wins would be crowned world champion.

But following a protest from F1 teams, FIA says it will defer the introduction of the new system until 2010.

The traditional points system will be used when the 2009 season begins on 29 March with the Australian Grand Prix.

A FIA spokesman told BBC Sport: "The new scoring system has been deferred until 2010, but I'm sure this will be reviewed throughout the course of the season as any new rule changes have to have teams approval before we proceed.

"We're slightly surprised that the teams have taken this long to come forward as we were under the impression that they were happy with the rule changes."

FIA had argued that the new scoring system would make racing more exciting by encouraging drivers to chase wins.

But several drivers, among them defending champion Lewis Hamilton and Fernando Alonso, criticised the change.
Rowan

Well, this season could be pretty interesting..!
geordie_racer

so now it is absolutely clear

the real genius in F1 is Ross Brawn


bennetton and ferrari over-performing under his wing, made the honda competitive, now his car on pole
Rowan

Typical of the way F1 shoots itself in the foot that the results of the first two races will be under appeal, though.
geordie_racer

Rowan wrote:
Typical of the way F1 shoots itself in the foot that the results of the first two races will be under appeal, though.


rowan -  a team breaking into the ferrari/mclaren/williams cabal is now a target in any way they can find
Sky_Of_Darkness

geordie_racer wrote:
Rowan wrote:
Typical of the way F1 shoots itself in the foot that the results of the first two races will be under appeal, though.


rowan -  a team breaking into the ferrari/mclaren/williams cabal is now a target in any way they can find


With Button at the wheel, they aren't likely to stay dangeous for too long.
geordie_racer

Sky_Of_Darkness wrote:
geordie_racer wrote:
Rowan wrote:
Typical of the way F1 shoots itself in the foot that the results of the first two races will be under appeal, though.


rowan -  a team breaking into the ferrari/mclaren/williams cabal is now a target in any way they can find


With Button at the wheel, they aren't likely to stay dangeous for too long.


much maligned is Jensen. never had a really competitive car

and Reubens is quality
Sky_Of_Darkness

geordie_racer wrote:
Sky_Of_Darkness wrote:
geordie_racer wrote:
Rowan wrote:
Typical of the way F1 shoots itself in the foot that the results of the first two races will be under appeal, though.


rowan -  a team breaking into the ferrari/mclaren/williams cabal is now a target in any way they can find


With Button at the wheel, they aren't likely to stay dangeous for too long.


much maligned is Jensen. never had a really competitive car

and Reubens is quality


My opinion is that he is extremely over-rated.  If the car is half decent, this season will prove it.
lochsong

Wow - just seen Q3.

All change - All change

Roll on
Owl of Minerva

2 bets for the season

Kubicka to win title @ 10/1
Heidfeld in the title handicap: -38pts @ 14/1 (SJ)
Jimbob

I wish Button all the best. He now has his chance to prove himself and hope he does. However I think Ferrari will still win the constructors and if I had to say who will win the drivers(it's pretty open this season) I'd go with Kimi!
LongJ0n

Reubens will out-perform Jenson this season, no doubt about it.
Rowan

geordie_racer wrote:
Rowan wrote:
Typical of the way F1 shoots itself in the foot that the results of the first two races will be under appeal, though.


rowan -  a team breaking into the ferrari/mclaren/williams cabal is now a target in any way they can find


McLaren weren't one of the teams that lodged an objection were they? Ferrari and Williams certainly did - and Williams then objected to Red Bull and Ferrari, and Toyota were excluded from qualifying.

Eee it's all go. F1 wouldn't be F1 if they just got on and raced.
Rowan

LongJ0n wrote:
Reubens will out-perform Jenson this season, no doubt about it.


I really hope so - I love Rubens.
Jimbob

I'm so glad the BBC got Martin Brundle. His gridwalk is priceless
Owl of Minerva

At least the safety car makes thnigs interesting again . . .
Jimbob

Owl of Minerva wrote:
At least the safety car makes thnigs interesting again . . .


Seemed to take an age to come out
Rowan

*kicks Vettel repeatedly in the nuts*

At least Rubens will get second.

Glad I didn't get up to watch it all  
Jimbob

Fantastic drive by Jenson! BrawnGP have made the rest look very silly indeed!
Owl of Minerva

Great story!

Kubica still wins the title though  
Rochesterlad

Roch Jnr is a keen Grand Prix fan and advised me to back Kubica for a podium finish...

Seemed a dead cert a few laps out before Vettel smashed into our selection!!

Anyway great work JB!!
Jimbob

Rochesterlad wrote:
Roch Jnr is a keen Grand Prix fan and advised me to back Kubica for a podium finish...

Seemed a dead cert a few laps out before Vettel smashed into our selection!!

Anyway great work JB!!


Hi Rochester, I hardly ever bet on Formula1 as, in the words of the great Murray Walker "Anything can happen... And it usually does!" but thats incredibly bad luck.
Jimbob

Owl of Minerva wrote:
Great story!

Kubica still wins the title though  


And Ferrari still win the constructors!! They had a pretty bad start to last season and came out fighting like only they can
Rochesterlad

Jimbob wrote:
Rochesterlad wrote:
Roch Jnr is a keen Grand Prix fan and advised me to back Kubica for a podium finish...

Seemed a dead cert a few laps out before Vettel smashed into our selection!!

Anyway great work JB!!


Hi Rochester, I hardly ever bet on Formula1 as, in the words of the great Murray Walker "Anything can happen... And it usually does!" but thats incredibly bad luck.


Morning Jimbob

Ive watched the crash several times now and must admit it looked like one of those 50/50 things.Just two young drivers going for everything.
Rowan

Rubens interview made me laugh - how many people did he hit/get hit by     Yet he was just grinning like a loon. I'd love him to win a couple but he seems to be a natural second-in-command.

I expect I'll get abuse but I also think Hamilton drove extremely well to get 4th. Both he and Button have chances to prove something this year - Button what he can do with a competitive car and Hamilton what he can do with one that's leaving him nearer to last on the grid than first.
Rochesterlad

Rowan wrote:
Both he and Button have chances to prove something this year - Button what he can do with a competitive car and Hamilton what he can do with one that's leaving him nearer to last on the grid than first.


Hi Rowan

Sorry bit of a dumb question but why was Lewis so far back on the grid..18th? Has he got a problem with his motor this year or something!?
Rowan

Rochesterlad wrote:
Rowan wrote:
Both he and Button have chances to prove something this year - Button what he can do with a competitive car and Hamilton what he can do with one that's leaving him nearer to last on the grid than first.


Hi Rowan

Sorry bit of a dumb question but why was Lewis so far back on the grid..18th? Has he got a problem with his motor this year or something!?


McLaren just haven't got to grips with the new rules as far as I can tell - the car was one of the worst performers over the winter, and he only just got into Q2 before the gear box problem ruled him out of qualifying. Seems to be a problem getting grip on the track, according to Hamilton while Heikki said he had no idea why the car was so slow!

But I don't follow the technical side closely so I don't really know what the issue is.

Oh, apparently they may be looking into what happened with Trulli, as Hamilton appeared to be 3rd under the safety car then Trulli overtook him. Looks like Trulli spun and Hamilton allowed him back but it depends how badly he spun. Or something.
Rochesterlad

Interesting to say the least! Thanks Rowan
Rowan

And the stewards have awarded Hamilton third place.

For now...

Quote:
Hamilton received a further boost following the race when he was elevated to third after Trulli was handed a 25-second penalty by the stewards for passing Hamilton under yellow flags following the crash involving Vettel and Kubica, meaning the veteran Italian finished 12th.

"I can't say how disappointed I am to finish third and have the result questioned," he said.

"I thought he [Hamilton] had a problem so I overtook him as there was nothing else I could do."

Team principal Tadashi Yamashina said the Toyota team would appeal the stewards' ruling.
Jimbob

Rowan wrote:
And the stewards have awarded Hamilton third place.

For now...

Quote:
Hamilton received a further boost following the race when he was elevated to third after Trulli was handed a 25-second penalty by the stewards for passing Hamilton under yellow flags following the crash involving Vettel and Kubica, meaning the veteran Italian finished 12th.

"I can't say how disappointed I am to finish third and have the result questioned," he said.

"I thought he [Hamilton] had a problem so I overtook him as there was nothing else I could do."

Team principal Tadashi Yamashina said the Toyota team would appeal the stewards' ruling.


what a suprise! Don't be suprised if BrawnGP gets disqualified so the FIA's darling Hamilton can weasel himself into another undeserved win
Rowan

Jimbob wrote:
Rowan wrote:
And the stewards have awarded Hamilton third place.

For now...

Quote:
Hamilton received a further boost following the race when he was elevated to third after Trulli was handed a 25-second penalty by the stewards for passing Hamilton under yellow flags following the crash involving Vettel and Kubica, meaning the veteran Italian finished 12th.

"I can't say how disappointed I am to finish third and have the result questioned," he said.

"I thought he [Hamilton] had a problem so I overtook him as there was nothing else I could do."

Team principal Tadashi Yamashina said the Toyota team would appeal the stewards' ruling.


what a suprise! Don't be suprised if BrawnGP gets disqualified so the FIA's darling Hamilton can weasel himself into another undeserved win


What planet are you on, man???
Jimbob

Rowan wrote:
Jimbob wrote:
Rowan wrote:
And the stewards have awarded Hamilton third place.

For now...

Quote:
Hamilton received a further boost following the race when he was elevated to third after Trulli was handed a 25-second penalty by the stewards for passing Hamilton under yellow flags following the crash involving Vettel and Kubica, meaning the veteran Italian finished 12th.

"I can't say how disappointed I am to finish third and have the result questioned," he said.

"I thought he [Hamilton] had a problem so I overtook him as there was nothing else I could do."

Team principal Tadashi Yamashina said the Toyota team would appeal the stewards' ruling.


what a suprise! Don't be suprised if BrawnGP gets disqualified so the FIA's darling Hamilton can weasel himself into another undeserved win


What planet are you on, man???


How do you mean? I want the result to stand as I think

A) Jenson deserves it
B) So does Rubens
C) BrawnGP have done nothing wrong

Hamilton does not deserve to win that race! I actually agree with giving him 3rd place. That's the right thing to do but every single decision goes his way whether it's the right thing to do or not. Bernie, by his own admission, wanted Hamilton to win the Championship last year!
Rowan

Jimbob wrote:
Rowan wrote:
Jimbob wrote:
Rowan wrote:
And the stewards have awarded Hamilton third place.

For now...

Quote:
Hamilton received a further boost following the race when he was elevated to third after Trulli was handed a 25-second penalty by the stewards for passing Hamilton under yellow flags following the crash involving Vettel and Kubica, meaning the veteran Italian finished 12th.

"I can't say how disappointed I am to finish third and have the result questioned," he said.

"I thought he [Hamilton] had a problem so I overtook him as there was nothing else I could do."

Team principal Tadashi Yamashina said the Toyota team would appeal the stewards' ruling.


what a suprise! Don't be suprised if BrawnGP gets disqualified so the FIA's darling Hamilton can weasel himself into another undeserved win


What planet are you on, man???


How do you mean? I want the result to stand as I think

A) Jenson deserves it
B) So does Rubens
C) BrawnGP have done nothing wrong

Hamilton does not deserve to win that race! I actually agree with giving him 3rd place. That's the right thing to do but every single decision goes his way whether it's the right thing to do or not. Bernie, by his own admission, wanted Hamilton to win the Championship last year!


It was the "FIA's darling" comment. The championship only came to the last race because of the actions of the stewards, and Ecclestone has been unsupportive of Hamilton at points. He hardly backed him over the disgraceful incident in Barcelona, and he's not exactly backing him now. There has been bias towards Ferrari in the past, and other teams historically. That's just how it goes.

If Brawn get disqualified and Hamilton wins - and I hope they won't - it'll be on Ferrari's head as they were one of the teams that lodged the complaint.

All I want to see is an F1 season that is close and exciting. I'd like a British driver to win, but it's not as important as having a season that isn't ruined by controversy. I don't understand why teams are being allowed to object to the Brawn car now, or why they should even be in the position to do so. Why aren't all the cars thoroughly scrutineered for adherence to the rules before the season starts?
Jimbob

Rowan wrote:
Jimbob wrote:
Rowan wrote:
Jimbob wrote:
Rowan wrote:
And the stewards have awarded Hamilton third place.

For now...

Quote:
Hamilton received a further boost following the race when he was elevated to third after Trulli was handed a 25-second penalty by the stewards for passing Hamilton under yellow flags following the crash involving Vettel and Kubica, meaning the veteran Italian finished 12th.

"I can't say how disappointed I am to finish third and have the result questioned," he said.

"I thought he [Hamilton] had a problem so I overtook him as there was nothing else I could do."

Team principal Tadashi Yamashina said the Toyota team would appeal the stewards' ruling.


what a suprise! Don't be suprised if BrawnGP gets disqualified so the FIA's darling Hamilton can weasel himself into another undeserved win


What planet are you on, man???


How do you mean? I want the result to stand as I think

A) Jenson deserves it
B) So does Rubens
C) BrawnGP have done nothing wrong

Hamilton does not deserve to win that race! I actually agree with giving him 3rd place. That's the right thing to do but every single decision goes his way whether it's the right thing to do or not. Bernie, by his own admission, wanted Hamilton to win the Championship last year!


It was the "FIA's darling" comment. The championship only came to the last race because of the actions of the stewards, and Ecclestone has been unsupportive of Hamilton at points. He hardly backed him over the disgraceful incident in Barcelona, and he's not exactly backing him now. There has been bias towards Ferrari in the past, and other teams historically. That's just how it goes.

If Brawn get disqualified and Hamilton wins - and I hope they won't - it'll be on Ferrari's head as they were one of the teams that lodged the complaint.

All I want to see is an F1 season that is close and exciting. I'd like a British driver to win, but it's not as important as having a season that isn't ruined by controversy. I don't understand why teams are being allowed to object to the Brawn car now, or why they should even be in the position to do so. Why aren't all the cars thoroughly scrutineered for adherence to the rules before the season starts?


I agree with almost everything you say in that post. Ferrari will be partly responsible if the result gets overturned. Let's not forget that they will only be 13rd responsible though as Renault & Red Bull are also challenging the diffuser. All 3 are wrong to do so. I'm a Ferrari fan but they are not beyond criticism.

On the occasions that the FIA have made a decision, however small, against Hamilton and/or McLaren, they throw their toys out of the pram and the biased British media jumpon the Hamilton loving bandwagon. This wouldn't be too bad were it nit for the fact that Mclaren act far more disgracefully than those they criticise! They are the only team in recent memory to have been found, 100% and without doubt to be cheating(and there is a distinct difference in my opinion between cheating and breaking/bending the rules). Yet people always defend Hamilton, Ron Dennis and Mclaren... Why?

Bernie has stated time and time again he loves Hamilton and has criticised anybody who dares to have a different opinion of him

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/formula_1/article5084385.ece

I woulo#d like either a Ferrari driver(not fussed which one) Jenson or Alonso to win the Championship but also agree with you that it's more important that we have a season without controversy and we get F1 back on(if you'll forgive the pun) the straight and narrow. BrawnGP are the best thing that's happened to F1 in a long time imho.
lochsong

Jimbob, you disappoint me.

You've shown a real hatred.

Hamilton/McClaren will win again.

   
pericolo topo

pericolo topo wrote:
Once again the Brawn GP car looks very positive in testing and BMW and Ferrari are already saying that it's going to be the main rival this season.

Today Alonso only just shaded it to finish quickest in a car that has seen 1000's of miles more development. Jenson is still 13-1 (still value cf Hamilton) on betfair and Barichello is a, frankly insulting, 24-1 shot. They will be much shorter odds after a few races and, despite being quickest, also have the most potential for improvement, having had fewer iterations of testing.

The Mclaren is still 1 second slower than the Brawn despite all of their testing work.


Jolly glad I took my own advice and had Jenson at 20-1 and Rubens at 25s! Also have a sneaky 20-1 on Vettel and Hamilton laid at 4-1.

Jenson now 7/2, Rubens 7s (Hamilton drifted to 9s now 6s on the back of a great drive).

Couple of 2 pennys...

- Hamilton really drove a great race today, his fastest lap was 1s off the pace yet he got a podium from 18th whilst others messed it up. Real quality in a dreadful car. I was intrigued by his use of KERs - he always kept it as late as possible in the lap just in case he had an overtaking opportunity. A real racers mind-set but I'll be very impressed if he gets more than 2 points in Malaysia - their aero package is likely to suffer appallingly on that tracks fast corners.
- There's always the pro/anti Hamilton FIA allegations; all essentially a bit unfounded to me but one thing is certain - the FIA do not want another period of Schumi domination. If they are so very pro-Ferrari then that period of domination would be great for them, surely? I concede, however, that Ferrari are by far the most popular team.
- Of more concern to FIA is the potential power of FOTA. If you're looking for a conspiracy theory then the FIA will be very happy with a divisive argument over diffusers. If the appeal is enforced mid April this theory will get more credence. Personally I think the appeal will not overturn the FIAs current position that the diffusers are legal and the appealing teams will just have to get over it.
MT VESSELS

Well played PT.
I couldnt drag my big fat behind up to the bookies to follow your advice. But was a great piece of tipping.
Made up for Jenson as was looking for a couple of weeks is though he would be without a drive for the year after Honda went bump. Also made up for Mr F1, Ross Brawn. What a guy.
Also well played Lewis, to get up to 3rd in a shed of a car was a great feat.
Hopefully the driving skills are going to be a major part of the Championship this season.

MT jnr
MT VESSELS

Something that will definitely bring a smile to Jimbobs face.
Hamilton has been stripped of his 3rd place together with his points

Lewis Hamilton and McLaren have been stripped of their podium finish and all points at the Australian Grand Prix.
The sport's world governing body said they were excluded "for providing evidence deliberately misleading to the stewards at the hearing on 29 March".
A post-race hearing promoted Hamilton from fourth to third after Trulli was penalised for passing the Englishman while the safety car was out.
Trulli and Toyota have been reinstated to third place.
Hamilton was summoned by stewards on Thursday to discuss what the FIA, motorsport's governing body, described as "a new element" of evidence.
It was not clear what the new evidence was, although it was thought to involve pit-to-car radio conversations between the team and driver.
The yellow safety flags came out at Melbourne after a collision between Red Bull's Sebastian Vettel and Robert Kubica in his BMW Sauber.
Trulli, who was demoted to 12th, slid off the track and was passed by Hamilton but the Toyota driver said he had little choice but to overtake the Briton again.
"When the safety car came out towards the end of the race, Hamilton passed me but soon after he suddenly slowed down and pulled over to the side of the road," he said.
"I thought he had a problem so I overtook him as there was nothing else I could do."
Hamilton had told Speed TV after the race that Trulli went wide onto the grass at the second to last corner.
"I was forced to go by. I slowed down as much as I could. I was told to let him back past, I don't know if that's the regulations, and if it isn't, then I should have really had third," said the Briton.
Toyota had said after the race that they would make a protest but dropped that on Wednesday because they felt it had no chance of succeeding.

MT jnr
LongJ0n

Thats madness.
Owl of Minerva

Yet more bias towards Hamilton eh Jimbob?
Rowan

From the BBC

Quote:
An FIA spokesman said it "could not rule out at this stage" further action against McLaren.

Hamilton left the Sepang International Circuit without commenting on the decision.

Trulli was initially handed a 25-second penalty for the incident which saw him demoted to 12th.

"We are disappointed by what has happened but in the circumstances we are not going to appeal," said McLaren team principal Martin Whitmarsh.

He added: "There is no implication that Lewis lied to the stewards.

"As I understand there is a belief that the team was not explicit enough in the content of the radio communications to the stewards.

"What they believe is that the omission of the information about the radio communication between the team was withheld and that is misleading.

"I believe it was a harsh decision. Lewis made a legitimate pass and then was repassed - at the time the team asked race control several times about the repass but they were too busy to answer that question so we felt the decision in the immediate aftermath was fair.

"I think it's a regrettable day. It certainly wasn't a deliberate attempt (to mislead the stewards)."


606: DEBATE
As the stewards messed up in the first place by punishing Trulli, surely the best thing to do would be to reclassify Trulli as 3rd and Hamilton 4th?

Tom

However, McLaren have had little leeway in terms of receiving the benefit of the doubt from the FIA since the 2007 'spygate' row.
Jimbob

LongJ0n wrote:
Thats madness.


Why?

Yet again Mclaren prove themselves to be a team with no morals or sense of fair & honest competition! Lewis Hamilton epitomises this appaling attitude that the whole team have!

But still people say things like "that's madness".

Is it madness because a British driver is involved. Would you say it was madness if it was Ferrari in the Schumacher era(or even now)
Jimbob

I have to say this has brightened up my day a little bit though  The sooner the FIA see sense(Ok I know I'm asking a lot) and ban Mclaren from F1(as they should have been in 07) the better!!
MT VESSELS

Jimbob wrote:
I have to say this has brightened up my day a little bit though  The sooner the FIA see sense(Ok I know I'm asking a lot) and ban Mclaren from F1(as they should have been in 07) the better!!


Thought it might cheer you up.
Your blind hatred for him, nearly matches mine of Ronaldo

MT jnr
The_Pilgarlic

Nice to see another 'sport' (although  am loathe to acknowledge that building a car is a sport) where the performers and management have no place for morals when the question of money, prestige and fame.

They are one step away from Football. All of them - not just McClaren.
pericolo topo

When the FIA give out the full radio transcripts then we'll see the full extent of McLaren and Hamilton's idiocy. Further punishment is likely because they need to make an example of deliberately misleading the stewards - more likely fiscal than a racing ban.

I'm a fan of agressive, quick drivers who make the sport interesting and want Hamilton to do well as a result, but there's no need for this kind of behaviour - for 1 point.

Was going to agree that this makes the sport a joke, but lets be clear about this - McLaren deliberately provided misinformation to the Stewards via their driver, this has come to light and they have been punished by the FIA. Seems a fair cop to me.

Cheers

PT

ps Will post later on pre-quali bets for Sunday when I've got stuck into betfair later. You'll need a smoothy rain king though.
Sky_Of_Darkness

Yes, the idiocy of it.  Mclaren should have known they would get caught, so owning up during the initial questioning would have been the 'smart' thing to do.
MT VESSELS

pericolo topo wrote:


ps Will post later on pre-quali bets for Sunday when I've got stuck into betfair later. You'll need a smoothy rain king though.


Will look forward to your tip.
You have set yourself a standard that you must maintain

MT jnr
pericolo topo

MT - here is proof that lightning doesn't strike twice.

I can't pick a winner for the race at the moment - the chances of rain stuffing a 'form' bet are too great. I was going to tip Barrichello - in a fast car and very good in the wet (see Silverstone last year) but he has a new gearbox and therefore a 5-place grid penalty. Rainy, variable conditions play to Buttons driving style but he's too short at the moment though could be worth a go if he qualifies low with alot of fuel in. I like Vettel's chances in the wet but so do others and 16/18-1 is too short given his flaky form and 10-place grid penalty.

So, what has been learnt so far this weekend? Ferrari are very quick around here (a traditionally strong circuit for them and Kimi especially loves it) furthermore their car looks quite well balanced and has KERS which is a major plus on the two huge straights. Honestly I was shocked to see that Kimi was not favourite to qualify fastest. Their from in both sessions was very good despite his morning being curtailed by an overheating battery. My bet this evening: Kimi to qualify on pole (about 6-1 on betfair). I'll be annoyed if Massa makes it, but Iceman has the edge, just.

Good luck if you're gambling on F1 this weekend; it could degrade into a lottery so small stakes for interest only!
Cheers, PT
Owl of Minerva

Qualifying;

Raikkonen @ 7.4
Vettel @ 13.5
pericolo topo

Hmmm. Apparently Kimi wasn't running KERS today, he was 1 second down which more or less accounts for the difference to his practice pace.

Need to see the car weights, and hence fuel loads, before picking the race (quite tempted by Hamilton podium at 6-1/race win 40s though; good in changeable conditions and KERS boost off the line; could be 5th by the end of lap 2 with a good tank of fuel....)
FallonFacta

Button to win is 8/11 on 365 and evens on VC so I've gone for that plus Button to get fastest lap at 3/1

 Rain is due
Rowan

Flipping heck, Heikki!!
Jimbob

This race has a chance of being red flagged if the rain comes. It's getting pretty dark on some parts of the course already
Rowan

Jimbob wrote:
This race has a chance of being red flagged if the rain comes. It's getting pretty dark on some parts of the course already


Yeah, they've just been saying that on BBC1. Apparently the locals told them to start an hour earlier if they wanted to be sure of ending the race.
Jimbob

Rowan wrote:
Jimbob wrote:
This race has a chance of being red flagged if the rain comes. It's getting pretty dark on some parts of the course already


Yeah, they've just been saying that on BBC1. Apparently the locals told them to start an hour earlier if they wanted to be sure of ending the race.


I thought this was a little late for the Malaysian GP. I'm sure it used to be earlier but perhaps it was before the clocks changed before or something like that
Jimbob

I can only assume the cars pitting now are the ones that absolutely have to as they have no  fuel what so ever. Otherwise surely you'd hold off for the rain
FallonFacta

Kimi needs to be doing a rain dance!
FallonFacta

 Poor Kimi - must be dancing a ballet in wellies  
Jimbob

FallonFacta wrote:
Kimi needs to be doing a rain dance!


Well in one way Ferrari has nothing to lose. Kimi is way down the pack and when it rains in Malaysia, it buckets down.
FallonFacta

There's the rain.....
Rowan

Jimbob wrote:
Rowan wrote:
Jimbob wrote:
This race has a chance of being red flagged if the rain comes. It's getting pretty dark on some parts of the course already


Yeah, they've just been saying that on BBC1. Apparently the locals told them to start an hour earlier if they wanted to be sure of ending the race.


I thought this was a little late for the Malaysian GP. I'm sure it used to be earlier but perhaps it was before the clocks changed before or something like that


Don't think it's that, I think it's all the Great God of Television.
Jimbob

COME ON KIMI!!!!!!!            
Rowan

Here come de storm...

Come on Webber!
FallonFacta

Jimbob wrote:
FallonFacta wrote:
Kimi needs to be doing a rain dance!


Well in one way Ferrari has nothing to lose. Kimi is way down the pack and when it rains in Malaysia, it buckets down.

I think he just said "the tyres are destroyed"  
Jimbob

Rowan wrote:
Jimbob wrote:
Rowan wrote:
Jimbob wrote:
This race has a chance of being red flagged if the rain comes. It's getting pretty dark on some parts of the course already


Yeah, they've just been saying that on BBC1. Apparently the locals told them to start an hour earlier if they wanted to be sure of ending the race.


I thought this was a little late for the Malaysian GP. I'm sure it used to be earlier but perhaps it was before the clocks changed before or something like that


Don't think it's that, I think it's all the Great God of Television.


You're probably right
Jimbob

FallonFacta wrote:
Jimbob wrote:
FallonFacta wrote:
Kimi needs to be doing a rain dance!


Well in one way Ferrari has nothing to lose. Kimi is way down the pack and when it rains in Malaysia, it buckets down.

I think he just said "the tyres are destroyed"  




I still stand by the fact it was the right decision. They had nothing to lose
Rowan

Ooops!
Rowan

So is it raining? Not raining? Not raining enough?
FallonFacta

Rowan wrote:
So is it raining? Not raining? Not raining enough?

Yes  
Rowan

FallonFacta wrote:
Rowan wrote:
So is it raining? Not raining? Not raining enough?

Yes  


     funny when its only some of the track!

Right, I'm off horseying so have to listen in the car...

Go Aussie!
Jimbob

Rowan wrote:
So is it raining? Not raining? Not raining enough?


I'm kind of losing track(if you'll forgive the pun) of what's going on. Is it raining on all parts of the course?
FallonFacta

Jimbob wrote:
Rowan wrote:
So is it raining? Not raining? Not raining enough?


I'm kind of losing track(if you'll forgive the pun) of what's going on. Is it raining on all parts of the course?

I'm sure it's dry in some places - there's a huge section of blue sky!

Intermediates now.....
Jimbob

Far be it for me to argue with the genius of Ross Brawn, but I don't agree with the decision to bring Button in for Intermediates so early  He could have held out a few more laps.
FallonFacta

Wow - proper rain  

Safety car....
Jimbob

Red Flag

Not sure we'll see the conclusion of this race
FallonFacta

 Selfishly I think Button got the fastest lap before this saga so I'm happy!  




Rain set in for 1/2 hour - surely time to stop!
FallonFacta

Time to stop now - I want to go shopping  
Jimbob

I need to go shoping but they're getting ready to go again
FallonFacta

Thery're doesn't seem much point if they have to stop at 12.00    

F1 has too many rules and too many rule changes - That's what put me off ages ago.  The indecision doesn't help the casual viewer - everyone knows it's for safety but surely this could be worked out better?
FallonFacta

Kimi has an ice-cream - He's stopped  
Jimbob

They should not have started the race so late. I know hindsight is a wonderful thing but the local experts told them so & they refused. As Rowan says this is probably so the European audience can watch the race without getting up really early. However in order to watch a race at any time, there has to be a race to watch
FallonFacta

In a wierd way it was a good race!  But it's over.... Time to shop  
Jimbob

Well that's that then. Well done Jenson

Well done Vicky as well!

Bring On China!!!
Rowan

Yep, good job Jensen! At least I got to listen to the end of the race in the car...
Rowan

The FIA Court of Appeal have ruled that Brawn's diffuser is legal after Tuesday saw strong words in the courtroom.

All teams using the split level diffuser can now go to Shanghai in fine fettle, whilst the seven teams without it will be strugglnig to catch up.

Not sure how far along teams up but presume they may all have been working on their own versions since the start of the season. They'll need to get them in soon!

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