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value seeker

BBC SPORTS PERSONALITY 2009

Never to early to look for value ,Jenson Button was 5s with lads yesterday,he has been cut to 7/4 for back to back FI wins after stating there is more to come from the Brawn car which carried him to victory in Australia.
If he wins in Malaysia on Sunday ,his price will go down faster than a banker in a sut on the London undergound on G20 summit day .get on early great back to lay material ,YOU KNOW IT MAKES SENSE
value seeker

Re: BBC SPORTS PERSONALITY 2009

value seeker wrote:
Never to early to look for value ,Jenson Button was 5s with lads yesterday,he has been cut to 7/4 for back to back FI wins after stating there is more to come from the Brawn car which carried him to victory in Australia.
If he wins in Malaysia on Sunday ,his price will go down faster than a banker in a sut on the London undergound on G20 summit day .get on early great back to lay material ,YOU KNOW IT MAKES SENSE

Think the 5s will be a bit shorter
archie mackenzie

Andy Murray
team of the year will be the British/irish lions
overseas team award will go to the irish rugby team
easy peasy    
cheers archie.
Jimbob

At the moment youd have to say Button but there's a hell of a long way to go between now & the end of the F1 season & if he doesn't win The Championship(and I'm sorry to say I don't believe he will) and Murray wins a Grand Slam then it couls all change. then again, knowing the BBC, they could push anybody!!
millsy

Looking beyond the first 2 for better value, one that could come right into contention is David Haye. Currently 25/1 but if he beats Klitschko in June then will be right up with the favourites. The public love a boxer for this too!

Other than that can't see a Brit winning a golf major so unless we win the Ashes or a Brit scores in the Champions League final I don't see who else is going to win. Can't see enough people voting for McCoy even though he deserves more recognition than he's had.
value seeker

Re: BBC SPORTS PERSONALITY 2009

value seeker wrote:
Never to early to look for value ,Jenson Button was 5s with lads yesterday,he has been cut to 7/4 for back to back FI wins after stating there is more to come from the Brawn car which carried him to victory in Australia.
If he wins in Malaysia on Sunday ,his price will go down faster than a banker in a sut on the London undergound on G20 summit day .get on early great back to lay material ,YOU KNOW IT MAKES SENSE

Great result for Button backers yesterday ,when the governing body the FIA ruled its controversial car was legal
Button is now fav to make it a hat trick of wins in this weekends Chinese Grand Prix and with the Bahrain race seven days later it is too early to expect an immediate response from the other teams.
Renualt have however revealed they have a prototype diffuser ready to be installed that could yet be used in Shanghai ,while the rest are likely to be up and running by the time the European season starts in Barcelona on 10 May.
Theres still a long way to go in this market ,most depends on Murray winning a grand slam event and lets be honest surely its just a matter of time but getting the early price means we have the chance to lay off at the shorter price later and if his car is so much fasters its worth backing him for this market and the actual Chinese Grand Prix market ,Button has
China in his hands as the song goes
value seeker

Re: BBC SPORTS PERSONALITY 2009

value seeker wrote:
value seeker wrote:
Never to early to look for value ,Jenson Button was 5s with lads yesterday,he has been cut to 7/4 for back to back FI wins after stating there is more to come from the Brawn car which carried him to victory in Australia.
If he wins in Malaysia on Sunday ,his price will go down faster than a banker in a sut on the London undergound on G20 summit day .get on early great back to lay material ,YOU KNOW IT MAKES SENSE

Think the 5s will be a bit shorter

7/2 now us the best you can get with ladcrookes
value seeker

Re: BBC SPORTS PERSONALITY 2009

value seeker wrote:
value seeker wrote:
value seeker wrote:
Never to early to look for value ,Jenson Button was 5s with lads yesterday,he has been cut to 7/4 for back to back FI wins after stating there is more to come from the Brawn car which carried him to victory in Australia.
If he wins in Malaysia on Sunday ,his price will go down faster than a banker in a sut on the London undergound on G20 summit day .get on early great back to lay material ,YOU KNOW IT MAKES SENSE

Think the 5s will be a bit shorter

7/2 now us the best you can get with ladcrookes

Might be shorter after another Button win
Machiavellian

Re: BBC SPORTS PERSONALITY 2009

value seeker wrote:
value seeker wrote:
value seeker wrote:
value seeker wrote:
Never to early to look for value ,Jenson Button was 5s with lads yesterday,he has been cut to 7/4 for back to back FI wins after stating there is more to come from the Brawn car which carried him to victory in Australia.
If he wins in Malaysia on Sunday ,his price will go down faster than a banker in a sut on the London undergound on G20 summit day .get on early great back to lay material ,YOU KNOW IT MAKES SENSE

Think the 5s will be a bit shorter

7/2 now us the best you can get with ladcrookes

Might be shorter after another Button win

You'll be buggered when Fred skittles the Aussies  
value seeker

Re: BBC SPORTS PERSONALITY 2009

Machiavellian wrote:
value seeker wrote:
value seeker wrote:
value seeker wrote:
value seeker wrote:
Never to early to look for value ,Jenson Button was 5s with lads yesterday,he has been cut to 7/4 for back to back FI wins after stating there is more to come from the Brawn car which carried him to victory in Australia.
If he wins in Malaysia on Sunday ,his price will go down faster than a banker in a sut on the London undergound on G20 summit day .get on early great back to lay material ,YOU KNOW IT MAKES SENSE

Think the 5s will be a bit shorter

7/2 now us the best you can get with ladcrookes

Might be shorter after another Button win

You'll be buggered when Fred skittles the Aussies  

Thought Fred Trueman had well retired
Machiavellian

Re: BBC SPORTS PERSONALITY 2009

value seeker wrote:
Machiavellian wrote:
value seeker wrote:
value seeker wrote:
value seeker wrote:
value seeker wrote:
Never to early to look for value ,Jenson Button was 5s with lads yesterday,he has been cut to 7/4 for back to back FI wins after stating there is more to come from the Brawn car which carried him to victory in Australia.
If he wins in Malaysia on Sunday ,his price will go down faster than a banker in a sut on the London undergound on G20 summit day .get on early great back to lay material ,YOU KNOW IT MAKES SENSE

Think the 5s will be a bit shorter

7/2 now us the best you can get with ladcrookes

Might be shorter after another Button win

You'll be buggered when Fred skittles the Aussies  

Thought Fred Trueman had well retired

Still our best chane  
value seeker

Re: BBC SPORTS PERSONALITY 2009

value seeker wrote:
value seeker wrote:
value seeker wrote:
Never to early to look for value ,Jenson Button was 5s with lads yesterday,he has been cut to 7/4 for back to back FI wins after stating there is more to come from the Brawn car which carried him to victory in Australia.
If he wins in Malaysia on Sunday ,his price will go down faster than a banker in a sut on the London undergound on G20 summit day .get on early great back to lay material ,YOU KNOW IT MAKES SENSE

Think the 5s will be a bit shorter

7/2 now us the best you can get with ladcrookes

JUST 2.8 BEST YOU CAN GET NOW WITH BETFAIR
value seeker

Re: BBC SPORTS PERSONALITY 2009

value seeker wrote:
value seeker wrote:
Never to early to look for value ,Jenson Button was 5s with lads yesterday,he has been cut to 7/4 for back to back FI wins after stating there is more to come from the Brawn car which carried him to victory in Australia.
If he wins in Malaysia on Sunday ,his price will go down faster than a banker in a sut on the London undergound on G20 summit day .get on early great back to lay material ,YOU KNOW IT MAKES SENSE

Think the 5s will be a bit shorter

It gets better each week
value seeker

Re: BBC SPORTS PERSONALITY 2009

value seeker wrote:
Never to early to look for value ,Jenson Button was 5s with lads yesterday,he has been cut to 7/4 for back to back FI wins after stating there is more to come from the Brawn car which carried him to victory in Australia.
If he wins in Malaysia on Sunday ,his price will go down faster than a banker in a sut on the London undergound on G20 summit day .get on early great back to lay material ,YOU KNOW IT MAKES SENSE

It gets better every week
value seeker

Re: BBC SPORTS PERSONALITY 2009

value seeker wrote:
Never to early to look for value ,Jenson Button was 5s with lads yesterday,he has been cut to 7/4 for back to back FI wins after stating there is more to come from the Brawn car which carried him to victory in Australia.
If he wins in Malaysia on Sunday ,his price will go down faster than a banker in a sut on the London undergound on G20 summit day .get on early great back to lay material ,YOU KNOW IT MAKES SENSE

Murray's defeat yesterday sees him lengthen to 7/1 ,Button a 1/2 chance
The_Pilgarlic

Is it worth a saver on Freddie Flintoff now?  
geordie_racer

overseas personality has to go to tom watson

jenson will win this though
lochsong

Not if Freddie steers England to a second Ashes win in 4 years.
The_Pilgarlic

lochsong wrote:
Not if Freddie steers England to a second Ashes win in 4 years.


Agreed.

Literally minutes after I posted Freddie completed his 5-for and was slashed 4 points across the board for the award....

I'd love to see him battle his way through three more tests and if the outcome is positive, coupled with him bowing out he could swing it, IMO.
Hampton

The_Pilgarlic wrote:
lochsong wrote:
Not if Freddie steers England to a second Ashes win in 4 years.


Agreed.

Literally minutes after I posted Freddie completed his 5-for and was slashed 4 points across the board for the award....

I'd love to see him battle his way through three more tests and if the outcome is positive, coupled with him bowing out he could swing it, IMO.


If England win the Ashes they might be team of the year, although Brawn GP might have a chance too if Button is Champion.
value seeker

The_Pilgarlic wrote:
lochsong wrote:
Not if Freddie steers England to a second Ashes win in 4 years.


Agreed.

Literally minutes after I posted Freddie completed his 5-for and was slashed 4 points across the board for the award....

I'd love to see him battle his way through three more tests and if the outcome is positive, coupled with him bowing out he could swing it, IMO.

Khans a mover ,dont forget him,ladcrookes cut him to 10s yesterday
geordie_racer

value seeker wrote:
The_Pilgarlic wrote:
lochsong wrote:
Not if Freddie steers England to a second Ashes win in 4 years.


Agreed.

Literally minutes after I posted Freddie completed his 5-for and was slashed 4 points across the board for the award....

I'd love to see him battle his way through three more tests and if the outcome is positive, coupled with him bowing out he could swing it, IMO.

Khans a mover ,dont forget him,ladcrookes cut him to 10s yesterday


boxing does not have the terrestrial profile, especially on BBC

F1 now on BBC, Button being hero-worshipped all over the networks on a regular basis , if/when he wins the title he is a shoe-in
Owl of Minerva

geordie_racer wrote:
value seeker wrote:
The_Pilgarlic wrote:
lochsong wrote:
Not if Freddie steers England to a second Ashes win in 4 years.


Agreed.

Literally minutes after I posted Freddie completed his 5-for and was slashed 4 points across the board for the award....

I'd love to see him battle his way through three more tests and if the outcome is positive, coupled with him bowing out he could swing it, IMO.

Khans a mover ,dont forget him,ladcrookes cut him to 10s yesterday


boxing does not have the terrestrial profile, especially on BBC


Plus not many people like him. He'd never get the votes
theGoingStick

I still want a re-count from when Zara Phillips won this  
lochsong

geordie_racer wrote:
value seeker wrote:
The_Pilgarlic wrote:
lochsong wrote:
Not if Freddie steers England to a second Ashes win in 4 years.


Agreed.

Literally minutes after I posted Freddie completed his 5-for and was slashed 4 points across the board for the award....

I'd love to see him battle his way through three more tests and if the outcome is positive, coupled with him bowing out he could swing it, IMO.

Khans a mover ,dont forget him,ladcrookes cut him to 10s yesterday


boxing does not have the terrestrial profile, especially on BBC

F1 now on BBC, Button being hero-worshipped all over the networks on a regular basis , if/when he wins the title he is a shoe-in


Are you seriously trying to tell me that F1 is more popular in England than cricket?!

I don't buy it. Did the nation have a tickertape parade when Mansell, Hill or Hamilton won the F1 chmp? No.

This Ashes series is shaping up to be a real classic (unless one side folds and I can't see that happening) so just imagine the scenes that will occur if England win it again so soon. You folks seem to forget the euphoria that swept the nation in '05. And to add more spice look at all the records falling this time.

Of course Sir Freddie will arise (probably 3 days after the parade if history is anything to go by   )

So hold onto your arses and just enjoy the ride.  

(I hope I don't regret typing all of that)  
Hampton

F1 does have a very big following & it would be no surprise if Button won the vote.

Cricket has mass appeal but if England get beaten in the series then the heroics of Cardiff & Lords will soon be forgotten.

Freddie has already won SPOTY in 2005 & there's no history of anyone doing it twice!

Not sure about Sir A Flintoff, that might come after his playing days are over. I don't think anyone has received a Knighthood while still playing.
Rammy

So being a whole hearted cricketer with a very ordinary test record is enough to get a knighthood these days? Or will it be for his services to the pedalo industry!
The_Pilgarlic

Rammy wrote:
So being a whole hearted cricketer with a very ordinary test record is enough to get a knighthood these days? Or will it be for his services to the pedalo industry!


Getting knighthoods is not just about ability.... in any walk of life not just sport. But if you want an example in the same industry, Mike Brearley OBE was a crap test cricketer!

However, if your argument is he shouldn't get one becuase of the pedalo and other assosrted incidents then although I still don't agree I can see your point!  
Hampton

Rammy wrote:
So being a whole hearted cricketer with a very ordinary test record is enough to get a knighthood these days? Or will it be for his services to the pedalo industry!


It is strange that Flintoff has a Test record that doesn't do him credit but a fair few bowlers have bowled well in the past but got no reward to show for it!

Don't forget to receive an Honour you have to be nominated for it.

That fact that someone will put his name forward & it's taken up will be no fault of Flintoff's.
Dr_tyler

Its now 9/4 Button, 3/1 Ennis, 4/1 Murray, 5/1 Freddie...

I know which one I'd rather take out for dinner but I reckon Jenson is more likely to win the money to pay for the meal than Jessica...
Gorg_George

I'd love to be offered a knighthood so I could send a very dismissive letter back telling them exactly why I wouldn't be buying in to the sham.
Hampton

Dr_tyler wrote:
Its now 9/4 Button, 3/1 Ennis, 4/1 Murray, 5/1 Freddie...

I know which one I'd rather take out for dinner but I reckon Jenson is more likely to win the money to pay for the meal than Jessica...


If you took Freddie out for dinner you would need  plenty of beer money!  
geordie_racer

Hampton wrote:
F1 does have a very big following & it would be no surprise if Button won the vote.

Cricket has mass appeal but if England get beaten in the series then the heroics of Cardiff & Lords will soon be forgotten.

Freddie has already won SPOTY in 2005 & there's no history of anyone doing it twice!

Not sure about Sir A Flintoff, that might come after his playing days are over. I don't think anyone has received a Knighthood while still playing.


F1 is about an individual 9the driver) rather than the team, for awards like this, plusthe f1 public will be mad keen to vote for their guy so button 9as long as his car gets working again) is still a big favourite

as for winning it twice, it hads been done; 3 times. henry cooper did it in the days when boxing was all over the bbc, and two more people; damon hill and nigel mansell.... spot the sport.
value seeker

Re: BBC SPORTS PERSONALITY 2009

value seeker wrote:
Never to early to look for value ,Jenson Button was 5s with lads yesterday,he has been cut to 7/4 for back to back FI wins after stating there is more to come from the Brawn car which carried him to victory in Australia.
If he wins in Malaysia on Sunday ,his price will go down faster than a banker in a sut on the London undergound on G20 summit day .get on early great back to lay material ,YOU KNOW IT MAKES SENSE

Must be odds on now
merrymozzer

David Haye!
Machiavellian

Gotta be David Haye
Death n Taxes

i often have a bet on the night. The way and order that the bbc present each contenders part. I can see the bbc going bigger om our first heavyweight champion than on back to back british f1 champions. What odds on them having a cardboard cut out of valuev in the studio. The year calzage won i said he or hatton would win because they did such a big piece on boxing.

Haye is a better bet at the odds at the moment especially as there is another boxer to compete with unlike when calzage won it.

However freddie is 10-1 to finish in the top 3 which is great value. Again it will all be about the emphasis of the cricket coverage and who of him and strauss gets more air time. Strauss will of course be in SA but if Freddie is live in the studio he will get more air time and is more likely to take the cricket votes.
Machiavellian

Front page of the RP today is an open letter putting the case for A P McCoy
shamardal84

Formula 1 on the BBC, arguably the BBC's flagship sport now.... Button NAP
Machiavellian

If Strauss wins sports personality I'll give up the game
lochsong

Me too.
lewijay

Machiavellian wrote:
If Strauss wins sports personality I'll give up the game


Exactly what personality. It is a weird award and usualyy has only part to do with achievment anyway.

My choice is definetly Haye as it is a popular sport and he has a little charisma the face for it.  Will get the housewives vote etc.
Hampton

lewijay wrote:
Machiavellian wrote:
If Strauss wins sports personality I'll give up the game


Exactly what personality. It is a weird award and usualyy has only part to do with achievment anyway.

My choice is definetly Haye as it is a popular sport and he has a little charisma the face for it.  Will get the housewives vote etc.


Much as Haye's win was special it was only one performance in the year.

If you went on that basis even Beth Tweddle would get lots of votes! (Housewives, preteenage & over, girls votes!!   ). Also it was shown live on the BBC!!  

Button is the most likely winner for performances over the course of the year
geordie_racer

Jenson clear odds on with everyone

jessica ennis as low as 3/1 second favourite

Haye between 4 and 7 /1

I can't find a market for overseas persoality.... I wonder if Manny might get this?
awaywardlad

geordie_racer wrote:


I can't find a market for overseas persoality.... I wonder if Manny might get this?


Federer if he wins in London?
merrymozzer

geordie_racer wrote:
Jenson clear odds on with everyone

jessica ennis as low as 3/1 second favourite

Haye between 4 and 7 /1

I can't find a market for overseas persoality.... I wonder if Manny might get this?


Got to be Usain Bolt surely.
Death n Taxes

merrymozzer wrote:
geordie_racer wrote:
Jenson clear odds on with everyone

jessica ennis as low as 3/1 second favourite

Haye between 4 and 7 /1

I can't find a market for overseas persoality.... I wonder if Manny might get this?


Got to be Usain Bolt surely.


Is this award not chosen by a panel hence no betting?
geordie_racer

Death n Taxes wrote:
merrymozzer wrote:
geordie_racer wrote:
Jenson clear odds on with everyone

jessica ennis as low as 3/1 second favourite

Haye between 4 and 7 /1

I can't find a market for overseas persoality.... I wonder if Manny might get this?


Got to be Usain Bolt surely.


Is this award not chosen by a panel hence no betting?


DIDNT BOLT WIN IT LAST YEAR?

AND WHAT ABOUT TOM WATSON?
merrymozzer

geordie_racer wrote:
Death n Taxes wrote:
merrymozzer wrote:
geordie_racer wrote:
Jenson clear odds on with everyone

jessica ennis as low as 3/1 second favourite

Haye between 4 and 7 /1

I can't find a market for overseas persoality.... I wonder if Manny might get this?


Got to be Usain Bolt surely.


Is this award not chosen by a panel hence no betting?


DIDNT BOLT WIN IT LAST YEAR?

AND WHAT ABOUT TOM WATSON?


Hampton

awaywardlad wrote:
geordie_racer wrote:


I can't find a market for overseas persoality.... I wonder if Manny might get this?


Federer if he wins in London?


Usain Bolt or Valentino Rossi would be my pick.
Machiavellian

Aidan O'Brien would be my choice
Hampton

Machiavellian wrote:
Aidan O'Brien would be my choice


If there is any betting on it he'll be a very big price!
Machiavellian

Hampton wrote:
Machiavellian wrote:
Aidan O'Brien would be my choice


If there is any betting on it he'll be a very big price!


!
theGoingStick

Machiavellian wrote:
Hampton wrote:
Machiavellian wrote:
Aidan O'Brien would be my choice


If there is any betting on it he'll be a very big price!


!


Yes I can't see O'Brien being in the mix for the international sports personality, I'd go for John Oxx myself but you can be sure it wont go to anyone in the horse racing industry!
Machiavellian

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lochsong

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Machiavellian

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Machiavellian

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHIFMkmhDY0
Hampton

theGoingStick wrote:
Machiavellian wrote:
Hampton wrote:
Machiavellian wrote:
Aidan O'Brien would be my choice


If there is any betting on it he'll be a very big price!


!


Yes I can't see O'Brien being in the mix for the international sports personality, I'd go for John Oxx myself but you can be sure it wont go to anyone in the horse racing industry!


I agree!

Horse racing never gets alook in at the end result!

Even when Lester was at his prime he only ever managed to get 3rd placing & yet he had achieved much more over the course of that sporting year than anyone else!  

When McCoy was asked about the RP's bid to get him votes he all but said it was a waste of time!!  

So sadly for racing it's always also ran's!!  
Binge

The short list announced in a programme on Wednesday night. I'm sure the short list is 10.

Anyone think they can name them?

Mark Cavendish
Jenson Button
Andrew Strauss
Andy Murray
Lee Westwood
Ryan Giggs
Phillips Idowu
Jessica Ennis
?
?
geordie_racer

I wold guess at

Button
Flintoff
Strauss
Haye
Giggs
Tweddle
Ennis
Murray
Cavendish
Amir Khan
Binge

geordie_racer wrote:
I wold guess at

Button
Flintoff
Strauss
Haye
Giggs
Tweddle
Ennis
Murray
Cavendish
Amir Khan


How did I forget him!?
Rowan

The list is announced on The One Show at 7 tonight and won't include McCoy.
Binge

The 10 are:

Mark Cavendish
Tom Daley
Andrew Strauss
Jessica Ennis
Beth Tweddle
David Haye
Andy Murray
Ryan Giggs
Jenson Button
Phillips Idowu
theBear

Some lively debate over on the BBC board.

Just been reading the list of nominations from all of the media outlets and a couple of things baffle me -
The Star on Sunday nominated Cristiano Ronaldo! ,??!
Why Zoo magazine are one of the 26?

Personally I think its ridiculous that AP McCoy and Phil Taylor aren't on the shortlist of ten.
2 of the greatest champions of their sport ever.

i think its a bit of a joke that Ryan Giggs is there. By all means give him a special achievement award or something for his outstanding contribution over the last 20 years but SPOTY? Im not sure. How many games has he actually started in the last year? not a great deal.
Binge

In my eyes Mark Cavendish wins this hands down but no doubt come the night if they released the number of votes each nominee gets, he'd probably end up 10th!

Jenson button will win, Brawn GP will be Team of the Year, Coach of the Year, controversially perhaps (seeing as they lost) but my vote would go to Ian McGeechan - The Lions Test series this year was without doubt the finest, most intense and physical rugby test series I've ever seen and but for some outrageously bad refereeing decisions (eye gouging is a straight red card and a 12 week minimum ban, not 10mins in the bin and 8 weeks!) and some dubious SA replacement tactics, the knife edge series would have fallen the way of McGeechan.

Overseas? Federer seems to get it every other year and so as he's completed a career Grand Slam this year, he'll probably be given it again.
geordie_racer

geordie_racer wrote:
I wold guess at

Button
Flintoff
Strauss
Haye
Giggs
Tweddle
Ennis
Murray
Cavendish
Amir Khan


8/10
not too bad..
Binge

7 for me GR and only 9 out of 10 us. Both left out Tom Daley (he won't win as the X Factor final is on at the same time!) Can't believe I forgot Haye as it only happened a few weks back. Good shout on Tweddle.

I've had £10 on Cavendish at 80/1!!
value seeker

Back Giggsy now 16s reported in todays RP ,then the utd forums will get to work to win his vote.
Also lots of non united fans will want him to win it ,he has been the prems best asset since it started.
Mild mannered ,likeable .he shouldnt win it but his price is bound to shorten and there can be money made or at least a free bet if you want to play it that way.
Binge

Giggs is 8/1 best price
value seeker

Binge wrote:
Giggs is 8/1 best price

Still take it ,worth a bet ,oddschecker has changed all its web pages yesterday , so never checked on it,its 10 years old now ,so decided to change things.
A word of warning to any one going on it ,best to get on now and  have a look around
Tagalie

I'm afraid I've never heard of the boxer or the cyclist. I have heard of Button and Strauss, but wouldn't be able to pick them out of a police line up.

Beth Tweddle has been nominated before, so unlikely to win this time but might get 2nd or 3rd as gymnastics is very visually appealing and she won for her floor routine, which is very easy on the eye. Also good mileage from the "fell on her arse but pluckily got up and kept going" aspect.

Hayley Turner winning a Group 1 televised by the BBC is racing's best chance of getting a look-in IMO.
Machiavellian

Giggs is a certainty.
Machiavellian

Taken a decent whack of 6/1 this afternoon with PP. Price is collapsing.
geordie_racer

so it will be a battle between the Man U keyboard army and the Formula 1 anoraks

more of the latter I suspect
value seeker

value seeker wrote:
Back Giggsy now 16s reported in todays RP ,then the utd forums will get to work to win his vote.
Also lots of non united fans will want him to win it ,he has been the prems best asset since it started.
Mild mannered ,likeable .he shouldnt win it but his price is bound to shorten and there can be money made or at least a free bet if you want to play it that way.

As short as 3/1 with Hills,one betfair customer had 50p matched at the max price 999/1 on betfair.
merrymozzer

I stopped watching this a few years back as I can`t stand the cringe making a**e licking of Lineker and Barker!
I consider this show on a par with all the other sh*te such as X Factor, I`m a C, Big Bro etc. It`s rarely won by anyone worthy of the title or anyone who has actually achieved anything in sport. Rusedtski and Henman are just two examples
Rant over
Hampton

If Giggs wins then they should either change the format (how I don't know!!   ) or scrap the whole thing!!  
geordie_racer

best 2 thinks they should do

1 go back to postsl voting. it stops all this multi voting nonsense

2 abolish the short list. why do people need to be told who they can vote for?
Gorg_George

I think your all being far too pedantic. He's still playing exquisite football. All this 'He doesn't even play every game wah wah'. Grow up. David Haye fought an oaf for a round in the last 6 months (you can't strictly call the other 11 fights boxing, It just wasn't). and has just been offending people for no reason, he's trying to be Ali but completely lacks the class. Jenson Button was in by far the best car this season and I can't think of a sport duller than formula 1 these days, it's a shambolic media frenzied heap of boring dung. I'd vote for Ryan Giggs if i could be arsed with all this nonsense. The outcry over the  fact he could win it, laughable, look at some of the dullards and prunes that have won it in the past who have been far less deserving as well.
value seeker

At the end of the day ,it should be for what a sports/persons has achieved over the year.
Though I am a big fan of what Giggs has done for the premiership ,probaby the outstanding footballer in the years of the prem ,should he get the gong for what he has done  in 2009.
Definetly no ,but he is going be very much therabouts.
Binge

geordie_racer wrote:
best 2 thinks they should do

1 go back to postsl voting. it stops all this multi voting nonsense


Agree Geordie. The BBC for years disqualified all the voting for Bob Nudd from all the anglers across Britain because primarily it was a voting campaign run by the Angling Times and all the readers were encouraged to vote for him. I fail to see the difference in anglers all voting for Bob Nudd because he's their greatest fisherman and Manchester Utd fans all voting for Giggs because he's one of theirs. (Just using Giggs as the example)
Cath_EVN

This programme has to be one of the most irritating, the winners usually have no 'personality' and lesser sports never get a look in.  the team of the year should be the GB event team they are european champions for a record 8th time, and have done well at worlds and olympic level, Yogi Breisner should be coach of the year or get life time achievemnt as not only working with eventers but also with racehorses.

i will admit to a soft spot for Giggs, he is a star player, completely unselfish on the pitch (unlike pretty boy C Ronaldo), stayed loyal to the best team for all his career (and i don't mean Wales) has very good discipline record (in fact never sent off for Man Utd) mainly because he plays the ball not the ref.  i could watch him all day and thats not something i say about many footballers.
Jimbob

Cath_EVN wrote:
lesser sports never get a look in.  


Hi Cath. Can't agree with you here I'm afraid. The last 5 winners have come from Athletics, Cricket, eventing, Boxing and Cycling. That's a fair mix I would say.
Cath_EVN

Jimbob wrote:
Cath_EVN wrote:
lesser sports never get a look in.  


Hi Cath. Can't agree with you here I'm afraid. The last 5 winners have come from Athletics, Cricket, eventing, Boxing and Cycling. That's a fair mix I would say.


they weren't the minor sports i was thinking of and with these each of those winners won thanks partly to terrestrial TV coverage.  i didn't necessarily mean the main winners but during the programme itself when they go through Euro and world champs smaller sports such as Triathlon, sailing (unless its an Olympic year), mountainbiking as an example don't get mentioned.  it is more a popularity contest.  having said all that i still watch it every year!
geordie_racer

Cath_EVN wrote:
Jimbob wrote:
Cath_EVN wrote:
lesser sports never get a look in.  


Hi Cath. Can't agree with you here I'm afraid. The last 5 winners have come from Athletics, Cricket, eventing, Boxing and Cycling. That's a fair mix I would say.


they weren't the minor sports i was thinking of and with these each of those winners won thanks partly to terrestrial TV coverage.  i didn't necessarily mean the main winners but during the programme itself when they go through Euro and world champs smaller sports such as Triathlon, sailing (unless its an Olympic year), mountainbiking as an example don't get mentioned.  it is more a popularity contest.  having said all that i still watch it every year!


in a couple of hours tops they can hardly give (say) 5 minutes to triathalon and 5 more to mountainbiking if it meant they got equal coverage with (say) tennis  or golf, though could they?

minority sports, by definition are of minority interest. More people play and watch bowls than go mountainbiking competitively, but there wont be much coverage of that either, I'll bet.
Hampton

Gorg_George wrote:
I think your all being far too pedantic. He's still playing exquisite football. All this 'He doesn't even play every game wah wah'. Grow up. David Haye fought an oaf for a round in the last 6 months (you can't strictly call the other 11 fights boxing, It just wasn't). and has just been offending people for no reason, he's trying to be Ali but completely lacks the class. Jenson Button was in by far the best car this season and I can't think of a sport duller than formula 1 these days, it's a shambolic media frenzied heap of boring dung. I'd vote for Ryan Giggs if i could be arsed with all this nonsense. The outcry over the  fact he could win it, laughable, look at some of the dullards and prunes that have won it in the past who have been far less deserving as well.


I rather see someone like Cavendish win it for setting a record of most stage wins by a British rider in the Tour De France which I feel is more of an achivement in a sporting year than being a talented football player who just happens to be in a top flight team. So he did set a new club record for the number of goals scored but it's hardly earth shattering stuff!

Cavendish will end up being an also ran in the final vote taking.

Button will go an win it & Giggs will finish about 3rd.
Binge

Hampton wrote:
Gorg_George wrote:
I think your all being far too pedantic. He's still playing exquisite football. All this 'He doesn't even play every game wah wah'. Grow up. David Haye fought an oaf for a round in the last 6 months (you can't strictly call the other 11 fights boxing, It just wasn't). and has just been offending people for no reason, he's trying to be Ali but completely lacks the class. Jenson Button was in by far the best car this season and I can't think of a sport duller than formula 1 these days, it's a shambolic media frenzied heap of boring dung. I'd vote for Ryan Giggs if i could be arsed with all this nonsense. The outcry over the  fact he could win it, laughable, look at some of the dullards and prunes that have won it in the past who have been far less deserving as well.


I rather see someone like Cavendish win it for setting a record of most stage wins by a British rider in the Tour De France which I feel is more of an achivement in a sporting year than being a talented football player who just happens to be in a top flight team. So he did set a new club record for the number of goals scored but it's hardly earth shattering stuff!

Cavendish will end up being an also ran in the final vote taking.

Button will go an win it & Giggs will finish about 3rd.


I can think of 800 reasons why I agree with that opinion!
Machiavellian

,!
geordie_racer

Giggs wouldnt be the first to gt this award for achievement over a period of time, rather than specifically in the preceding 12 months.

Button is a deserving winner, Cavendish hasn't, as far as I see it, captured the public' imagination. Daley a live outsider as is Tweddle.
FallonFacta

I love that music!  
FallonFacta

I think this introducing bit is working well!
FallonFacta

If the cricketers are all there with a satelite link does that mean they get team?
FallonFacta

The Helen Rollason award is always heart in the mouth time
Death n Taxes

where is andy murray. I understand the cricketers are in SA but andy isn't playing anywhere.

Anyway lost enough money on this already so will finish it off with david haye to place at 4.2
FallonFacta

Death n Taxes wrote:
where is andy murray. I understand the cricketers are in SA but andy isn't playing anywhere.


They were a bit vague about that - He doesn't seem to be in a studio anywhere either.  Surely he won't win unless he wins Wimbledon!
FallonFacta

     Eddie Izzard      
SkankyMinga

Looks like we have joint favs now. Lots of money for Giggs!  
FallonFacta

SkankyMinga wrote:
Looks like we have joint favs now. Lots of money for Giggs!  


Really!  I've no money on it - but I have voted for him  
SkankyMinga

Your not the only one. Odds on now.

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