Jimbob
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BDO Word Darts ChampionshipI think Simon Whitlock is a great value bet at 7's to win the Championship outright. Gary Anderson has never produced the goods at the Lakeside and 5/2 is a very short price. He is one of the best players in either darts organisation but even so is an unjustified favourite imho. Mark Webster stands a hell of a chance and 4's is about right for him but The Wizard is where the Jimbob Millions are going! He is one of my favourite players anyway!
I also am tempted with 2/1 for Shaun Greatbatch to beat Johnboy Walton today! Wil have to give that some thought 
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Darren
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I have a treble this afternoon that pays evens, Jimbob.
Webster, Waites and Walton. Greatbatch has had far too many problems, and even at 2/1, he only picked up darts again three weeks ago. I wouldn't begrudge him the victory, but surely that is no preparation for a World Championship.
Overall, I have Whitlock at 11.5 and Waites at 10, and a rather colossal 40/1 on Tony O'Shea so I was more than happy with his start yesterday.
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Darren
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The double tonight could well be Woods and Robson at just over 2/1.
I have this image in my head of when Ted Hankey offered a couple of spectators out into the car park after they were talking during his throw. (which illustrates one of the massive differences between PDC and BDO, but anyway....)
Overall, I think this game is priced up on reputation unless Woods is really struggling. He was a semi-finalist last year (after beating Co Stompe and Scott Waites) and lost 6-3 to Simon Whitlock, who had destroyed Hankey 5-0 in the Quarters. Woods also averaged 96 in the first round, so isn't a slow starter. In the Grand Slam, he scored heavily but was off the doubles, though still pushed Andy Hamilton to 5-3 with Hamilton averaging 103. I could make a case for the size of venue causing this, as surely he wouldn't have played in many tournaments like that......perhaps?
Anyway, at 11/10 and doubling with Robson at 4/9, who plays a fella in as a lucky loser after losing to Daniel Larsson in qualifying, I think thats a decent bet. Larsson was out of his depth last night, so don't see why this Bunting chap should be any different.
All of this is probably wrong, but hey ho 
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Jimbob
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Woods hs a hell of a chance tonight! You're right about the difference between the BDO & the PDC but I think that's to the BDO's favour. The PDC have tried to make darts more popular(and have been largely succesful in doing so it has to be said) but along with this comes the football fan mentality of shouting abuse at players etc. That's always been part of footbll & I'm not saying it shouldn't be(as long as it doesn't go too far, friendly banter is healthy), but there's no place for it in darts. You only had to watch the Mardle-Thornton game at the PDC World Championships to see how disgracefully the PDC fans behave. A lot of them don't seem to understnd the sport. That's one of the reasons I favour the BDO but obviously watch both.
Sorry. I'll come off my soapbox now 
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Darren
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The two things that wind me up most about the PDC are Sid Waddell, who was a novelty but is now horrible.
And the constant adverts after each set.....a three legged Jelle Klassen set can last 4 minutes, and yet you get 4 minutes of adverts!!!!
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Darren
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Hahaha, great start
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Jimbob
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He's not hitting the doubles very well(Woods) but seems to be slowly getting his act together. I haven't had a bet at all today other than Whitlock outright(was tempted with Greatbatch but you talked me out of it Darren which I thank you for) so good luck with the bet but Woods really needs to start hitting doubles if he's going to beat someone with the class of Hankey
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Darren
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This is rubbish, as soon as you see a player shaking his head, you know he's a goner.
Should have saved my money.
This also happens whenever I do a write-up 
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Jimbob
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Well Hankey needs to notch it up a gear to be in the running but could do so. He wasn't under any pressure from Woods what so ever so was as good as he needed to be. Very interesting interview with him afterwards as well.
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Darren
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| Jimbob wrote: | | Well Hankey needs to notch it up a gear to be in the running but could do so. He wasn't under any pressure from Woods what so ever so was as good as he needed to be. Very interesting interview with him afterwards as well. |
What did he say?
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Jimbob
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| Darren wrote: | | Jimbob wrote: | | Well Hankey needs to notch it up a gear to be in the running but could do so. He wasn't under any pressure from Woods what so ever so was as good as he needed to be. Very interesting interview with him afterwards as well. |
What did he say? |
He basically said that was the first match he's won anywhere in the world for a year and that he has spent a lot of time getting his head/act together, he isn't drinking as much and isn't getting worked up about things that he should let go(a reference to his "stage rage" last year. He says he's less aggressive and more focused on his game now. He appears to be correct 
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ngreggors
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Like Darren I'm on Waites at 8/1 (e/w) for this.
He's yet to drop a set so hopefully we'll get a good run for our money.
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MT VESSELS
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I have had a bet on Fitton each way at 16's and placed it before i realised that he was facing Whitlock, so over the moon he got through that one.
MT jnr
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Darren
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| Darren wrote: | I have a treble this afternoon that pays evens, Jimbob.
Webster, Waites and Walton. Greatbatch has had far too many problems, and even at 2/1, he only picked up darts again three weeks ago. I wouldn't begrudge him the victory, but surely that is no preparation for a World Championship.
Overall, I have Whitlock at 11.5 and Waites at 10, and a rather colossal 40/1 on Tony O'Shea so I was more than happy with his start yesterday. |
My best bet of the year...consider most of it laid off for a profit 
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kickingkyle
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Good arrows Darren
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theGoingStick
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Hankey looks as though he's losing it here 
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Jimbob
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He's managed to keep his cool and stay professional so far. Let's hope it continues
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theGoingStick
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"O'Shea isn't going to throw in the white towel against the Hankey"
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Darren
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I'm jumping around the room here.......
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Jimbob
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Well done Ted! Great to see a Champion bring himself back after going off the rails only a year ago 
What a final! What is it with Tony O'Shea & finals?
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Gorg_George
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Very good final. Anyone know the 2 players averages?
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millsy
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Think it was 91 and 90 - good game but these would get killed by Taylor et al!
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Jimbob
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| millsy wrote: | | Think it was 91 and 90 - good game but these would get killed by Taylor et al! |
That's not true. Obviously them averages would get killed by Taylor but both players are capable of much better than that. Hankey especialy could quite easily hold his own in the PDC. It's a complete myth that the PDC is better than the BDO. Take Tayor and Barney out of the equation and it isn't. The PDC has the 2 greatest players in the world but the BDO has a lot more strentgh in depth
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millsy
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| Jimbob wrote: | | millsy wrote: | | Think it was 91 and 90 - good game but these would get killed by Taylor et al! |
That's not true. Obviously them averages would get killed by Taylor but both players are capable of much better than that. Hankey especialy could quite easily hold his own in the PDC. It's a complete myth that the PDC is better than the BDO. Take Tayor and Barney out of the equation and it isn't. The PDC has the 2 greatest players in the world but the BDO has a lot more strentgh in depth |
If they're capable of much better they didn't show it this week - neither reached 96 as an average in any match, O'Shea was generally nearer 90 and there were plenty of players in teh PDC hitting much higher than that.
Would be interesting to see how they fared if they got say the top 8 from each and put them into a tournament, shame there's not much chance of that ever happening!
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Flipando
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| Jimbob wrote: | | millsy wrote: | | Think it was 91 and 90 - good game but these would get killed by Taylor et al! |
That's not true. Obviously them averages would get killed by Taylor but both players are capable of much better than that. Hankey especialy could quite easily hold his own in the PDC. It's a complete myth that the PDC is better than the BDO. Take Tayor and Barney out of the equation and it isn't. The PDC has the 2 greatest players in the world but the BDO has a lot more strentgh in depth |
I completely disagree.
Not only is the standard much better but the production and overall product produced by the PDC is much better. Obviously the BDO has some good players who could compete in the PDC but not that many.
Exciting final even if the standard wasn't that high.
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Machiavellian
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| Jimbob wrote: | | millsy wrote: | | Think it was 91 and 90 - good game but these would get killed by Taylor et al! |
That's not true. Obviously them averages would get killed by Taylor but both players are capable of much better than that. Hankey especialy could quite easily hold his own in the PDC. It's a complete myth that the PDC is better than the BDO. Take Tayor and Barney out of the equation and it isn't. The PDC has the 2 greatest players in the world but the BDO has a lot more strentgh in depth |
Pull the other one.
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Gorg_George
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There are maybe 1 or 2 players in the BDO that are fit to wipe Taylors/Barneys/Klassens/Wades/Jenkins behinds. None have ever nor ever will achieve averages these players throw for fun. If players in the BDO do get good enough in time, they just move over to where the real competition and real money is, the PDC. Every game I watched on the BBC this week wasn't anywhere near the quality of the games I watched on the Sky, I mean who was it I was watching, Robson VS Anderson (ranked 3 and 1 in the world respectively) Neither of these players FIRST 9 DART PER LEG average was as good as the top 8-10 players in the PDC throw as an overall average (inclusive of missed doubles, the lot). That's mathematical fact, the PDC owns.
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theGoingStick
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It never used to be the case that the PDC was stronger than the BDO but both of the sports current top players have jumped ship because of the prize money. I think that most darts enthusiasts think that the PDC has cheapened darts to some extent by splitting all the players up.
Even though todays final was light years ahead of the Taylor vs Barney final in terms of entertainment it was obvious that the quality wasn't the same. How many doubles did Hanky need to win it in the end ? Imagine what Taylor or Barney would do to him.
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Jimbob
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I found this on a darts forum. This is the one dart average of the PDC and BDO World Championships. It doesn't include the final of either event as it was calculated before the BDO Final took place.
PDC Average : 29.66 ppd
BDO Average : 29.11 ppd
I rest my case. Take Taylor & Barney out of it and there's very little difference. The PDC average is only higher because of them two.
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Flipando
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| Jimbob wrote: | I found this on a darts forum. This is the one dart average of the PDC and BDO World Championships. It doesn't include the final of either event as it was calculated before the BDO Final took place.
PDC Average : 29.66 ppd
BDO Average : 29.11 ppd
I rest my case. Take Taylor & Barney out of it and there's very little difference. The PDC average is only higher because of them two. |
So for a debate you use a statistic found on an internet forum. Not only that but you only use 1 statistic to try and prove something that has many factors that need to be taken into account.
Did you know that Brentford are better than Chelsea because they score an average of 2.34 goals per game whereas Chelsea only score 2.1 goals per game.
What a load of rubbish.
(I made that stat up.)
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Rammy
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The PDC is way ahead in standard. Both of those players would have struggled to make the quater finals of the PDC Championship. They would certainly have failed to win a single set in the final against either Taylor or Barnevald. Hankey is a choker but O'Shea was so poor he couldn't put enough pressure on him to stop him eventually winning. There were numerous scores blow 60 from each player including a 15 at one point from O'Shea. Tony Green's comment of "the greatest final ever" smacked of complete desperation at the end of the match. I am sorry the BDO is a fading organisation in terms of quality compared to the PDC.
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Papa 3
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Enjoyed watching it for the uncertainty of two sub standard dart players who, as you say, would not survive in the real world of the PDC, having said that, I find darts too repetitive to go out of my way to watch, it was just that last night MT had a bet and I wanted to see how he did..... he lost.
Not much better than this.
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MT VESSELS
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I totally agrre that the PDC code is better than BDO but which final was better. No contest. BDO by a country mile.
Sod the stats that always point to Taylor being the best ever. Until Taylor retires, the PDC is not worth watching. He is so far ahead of anyone else it is unreal. The PDC is about the money and nothing else.
I just feel with the BDO you get that feeling of players wanting to and needing to win, whereas with the other code it is just another tournament and there will be another one along the following week for the players to feather their nests.
The BDO just has a grass routes feel about it and therefore i feel the pressure is more on players to perform than in the PDC. BUT if it wasnt for the profile of the PDC then i do not feel the BDO would get any coverage at all.
The commentary on the BBC was at least unbiased whereas Sid just commentates on Taylor and tries to come out with as many nauseating, brown nosing comments for Taylor and mentions every other set the other players name. He is someone who has begun to revel in his own hype. Used to be funny and enthusiastic. Now just pure unadulterated drivel.
The better players, no doubt, are in the PDC but just wonder how well they would do if they had to live in the same world as their BDO counterparts.
With regards to the qualities of the respective finals. Everyone wants a bit of excitement rather than watch a master craftsman give an exhibition.
MT jnr
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Jimbob
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| Flipando wrote: | | Jimbob wrote: | I found this on a darts forum. This is the one dart average of the PDC and BDO World Championships. It doesn't include the final of either event as it was calculated before the BDO Final took place.
PDC Average : 29.66 ppd
BDO Average : 29.11 ppd
I rest my case. Take Taylor & Barney out of it and there's very little difference. The PDC average is only higher because of them two. |
So for a debate you use a statistic found on an internet forum. Not only that but you only use 1 statistic to try and prove something that has many factors that need to be taken into account.
Did you know that Brentford are better than Chelsea because they score an average of 2.34 goals per game whereas Chelsea only score 2.1 goals per game.
What a load of rubbish.
(I made that stat up.) |
I admit the statistic isn't that reliable which is why I stated it's source. However, I have no reason to doubt it as it sounds about right to me(not having worked it out myself admittedly). Comparing the PDC & the BDO to Chelsea and Brentford is absurd and if that's the best argument you can come up with it further proves my point that there's not much to choose between the two.
What other statistics are there that are that important? Darts is all about averages! I'm not a BDO diehard who hates the PDC. I'm a darts fan and watch both. The PDC have undoubtedly done some good for the sport of darts. They've done some bad as well mind you and the BDO & the PDC are just as bad as each other in their refusal to cooperate(although in fairness both organisations are getting better)
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ngreggors
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Agreed.
Taylor 1/3 to win from the start? Wow, what an exciting betting opportunity that was!!!
BDO, the original and best.
The PDC is like the Chelsea of darts, richer and far more chavvy!!
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Machiavellian
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| ngreggors wrote: | Agreed.
Taylor 1/3 to win from the start? Wow, what an exciting betting opportunity that was!!!
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4/6.
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Gorg_George
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| Machiavellian wrote: | | ngreggors wrote: | Agreed.
Taylor 1/3 to win from the start? Wow, what an exciting betting opportunity that was!!!
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4/6. |
Hell of a price, first time he's won it in 3 years or is that made up?
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Machiavellian
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| Gorg_George wrote: | | Machiavellian wrote: | | ngreggors wrote: | Agreed.
Taylor 1/3 to win from the start? Wow, what an exciting betting opportunity that was!!!
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4/6. |
Hell of a price, first time he's won it in 3 years or is that made up? |
There was some traded at that price on Betfair, I'm sure.
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