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| Death n Taxes |
Breeders cup betting guidei think this merits its own thread.Could someone do a summary of the betting options in the states. in particular what is the difference between show and place and what is the morning line price. It seems we will be able to bet into us pools via betfair so i am interested to know more about the best way to lose my money. Cheers |
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| Gorg_George |
Re: Breeders cup betting guide
+1. Never really bet show/place or any of that, only time I've ever used the U.S pools was at last years Breeders Cup and was very uncomfortable with the hole thing, would love to have a bit more knowledge on it all. |
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| newyorktony |
http://www.ultimatecapper.com/how-to-bet-on-horses.htm
this should help you out |
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| cre8flow |
most often the morning line is irrelevant in the states
the pick 3 bet is okay for the breeders cup and other big days in the states always important to know the pool size-here for the bc its fine the pick 4 is a bet that has lost some of its value but its still pretty decent play still you have to be right all 4 races but it can be a huge payout when all the favs lose-as much as 6 figures but this only happens a few times a year a superfecta or trifecta is probably perferable as you only have to be correct in 1 race plus in the states you can bet dime supers-ten cents-this has decreased the value of the bet the tri is getting the first 3 in order the superfecta is getting the first 4 horses in a row the pentafecta is somewhat new and is a reaction to the installation of the dime bet-it is the first 5 in the same race and is only in the last race-professionals do not like the dime bet as they are able to overwhelm the pool with massive bets say a 6 horse $1 superfecta box which costs $720 a 5 horse superfecta box costs $120 a 4 horse superbox is $24 a .10 superbox costs $2.40-the box covers all combinations of the horses you are betting a trifecta wheel is keying 1 horse on top or even 2nd or even 3rd the pentafecta is a carryover bet which means if no one hits it on friday it will carryovered to saturday-minus the takeout a 3 box trifecta bet is $6,4 is $24,6 horse tribox is $60 these exotic bets should be used with moderate to longshots keyed with other horses the exacta payouts can be viewed on the screen but the other exotic payouts are unknown to the bettor |
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| cre8flow |
Re: Breeders cup betting guide
the payout is in no way shape or form related to the morning line the best way to lose your money is to try and win a lot of money take the pick 3 or pick 4 and key the 3 euro horses in the turf classic and go from there could also single the euro in the dirt mile but save with others` pick 4- 1,4,8,9,11/1/2,5,7/then go with 6 horses in the last $90 bet this is just an example i am not sure i want to single the 1 in the poly mile or you can single zacinto etc etc |
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| Death n Taxes |
sorry cre8flow didn,t understand a word of that. | ||||||
| cre8flow |
well
lets say you wanted to play a $20 pick 3 starting with the dirt mile mastercraftsman with spanish moon,dar re mi,conduit with rip van winkle or 1 /257 /10 1x3x1=3 x amount of bet-$20=$60 is total cost of the bet |
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| Jimbob |
Hi Tony. i've done a bit of betting in the US pools but only really win, place or show. Sorry if this is a stupid question but looking at that link, what's the difference between a 'place' bet, and a 'win-place'. Also, a 'show' bet and an 'across the board' bet. I'd appreciate this being explained to me 
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| cre8flow |
there is a win pool a place pool and a show pool
a win -place bet is actually two different bets the win bet your horse must win the place bet your horse can finish first or second but you win the place payout not the win payout lets say you bet rip van winkle to place and win he finishes 1st and you win both bets-the win bet and the place bet across the board bet is win place and show 3 different bets if yor horse wins you win all 3 of your bets if your horse finishes 2nd you win the place bet and the show bet but you lose the win bet if he finishes 3rd you only win your show bet the win place and show payouts are almost always different |
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| Jimbob |
Thanks Cre8flow So across the board and win-place are similar to our each way betting.
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| lenahan |
A win-place is just another word for an 'each way' bet jimbob. Your backing the horse to both win and place. Except it will only pay for 1st or 2nd place and not 3rd like in most races here.
WIN = 1st PLACE = 1st or 2nd SHOW = 1st, 2nd or 3rd Dont get caught out backing to PLACE and thinking its like here where your horse can come top 3 as its only top 2. You need to back show to get a payout for a 3rd place finish. I tend to just back win and show and ignore backing place. This is probably the most improtant thing for people to be aware of this weekend if taking US prices. REMEMBER: WIN = 1st PLACE = 1st or 2nd ONLY SHOW = 1st, 2nd or 3rd DONT GET CAUGHT OUT ON BACKING A HORSE TO PLACE THAT FINISHES THIRD! YOU NEED TO BACK SHOW TO GET A PAYOUT FOR A THIRD PLACE FINISH |
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| cre8flow |
a win-place bet is just another way of saying
$20 to win and place the total you must pay is $40 you would tell the teller $20 to win and place on the 10 if you say $20 across the board on the 10 to the teller its just another way of saying $20 to win place and show-3 different bets on the 10 and so you must pay the teller $60 |
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| cre8flow |
yes they ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT BETS for the most part place and show are not great bets |
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| lenahan |
Do the Pick 3, Pick 4, Pick 6 etc tend to pay more than just doing a normal treble or accumulator bet ?
Would you not be better off just backing your selection to win the first leg as a normal win bet in the pool and then rolling it over onto the second leg in the win pool and so on ? Im quite interested in some of these combo bets for this weekend inlcuding standard exactas and so on as i think there could be some good value about. Also what sites are best for keeping a live look at the tote odds for the us pools during the day and is it comes to the off ? Would be interesting to see where to money is going throughout the afternoon tommoro and satuday ? Cheers |
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| cre8flow |
its just a guess but for the bc i would say the pick 4 pays more
probably the pick 3 too the value of the pick 4 has diminished as people get a handle on it the pick 6 is a $2 minimum bet and the the friday will carryover to saturday if the friday carries over to saturday the pick 6 is almost always a great bet but you need a lot of capital to play the bet a negative is the taxes you will pay on anything 600-1 and as a foreigner i dont know how that works-as an american i can write them off 5000-1 and they take it off 28% right off the top so for foreigners stay with the lower paying exotics-exactas without favs- are the best-you will get great value-not exactly sure what sites-youbet.com or betfair the pick 4 on friday is offered in the 1st 5th,6th on saturday 3rd,6th and 7th with exacta bet $1 dollar exacta boxes to avoid the taxes crushing a pick 3 might be great but break up say the pick 3s into $1 increments |
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| lochsong |
Can someone explain how we get the US pools prices on BF please.
Thanks. |
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| jennywales |
Try this - the US pools prices are available to the right of the screen, top box..
http://sports.betfair.com/Index.do?mi=100926103&ex=1 And having checked that, you may need to navigate a couple of pages. The Breeder's Cup info is on the usual (on the left) Racing (USA) tab. |
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| Jimbob |
I tried getting Aussie pool prices on Betfair for the Caulfield Cup and failed miserably  Whenever I bet in America(just win, show or place up to now. Wasn't aware of the other bets  ) I use Bet365
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| lochsong |
Thanks Jenny.
I've got my BF desktop set to sports but when I changed it to Horseracing I spotted the US pools immediately. Unfortunately I got this message
But that's ok. I wont be working on Saturday at 9am and that's when backing the Euros will turn a profit. 
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| Jimbob |
Can you not even bet on the races that are going ahead as we speak across the pond? |
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| Machiavellian |
Yes but the delay in the feed renders this a rather fruitless task. EDITED TO ADD Thought you were referring to in play. |
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| lochsong |
Depends what time zone they are in. We are 7 hours ahead of California. Hence today's BC races start at 8pm. I think. 
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| lochsong |
You can on BF - at BF prices. | ||||||
| newyorktony |
england is 8hours and new york is 3hours ahead | ||||||
| lenahan |
http://usatotezone.betfair.com/static/html/help_ustote_en.html
The betfair guide there is a great guide to all the tote bets. (check it out jimbob et al) |
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| Gorg_George |
So can you take a current price and/or sp on U.S pools or does it have to be one or the other? And If you can take a price, why are they not available now? | ||||||
| Gorg_George |
anyone? | ||||||
| FallonFacta |
The US Pools are like PMU - Whatever the price when you place the bet you get paid the price at the off (I think!) | ||||||
| FallonFacta |
Appalling English What I was trying to say is - No you can't take a price! You get what you're given the same as everyone else
I'm really looking forward to this  This afternoon may drag
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| cre8flow |
odds can change 30 seconds after race goes off
with huge pools probaly no changes as they go off |
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