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BRETT

king of the flapps competition

this was the first round heats of the KOTF which is run at different tracks every year exclusively for flapping dogs.this track puts many a ngrc track to shame

http://www.halcrowstadium.com/
westmeadhawk

Hi Brett

Thanks for the link.  I was wondering if you knew what track would be at Doncaster?  I ask because they are having a lurcher meet-up in December there where we could race the dogs (they would only do it during the opening hours of the local vet practice though).

I was thinking of taking Rudi but my sister is due to have a baby around that time so it may be put on hold for next year?

Thanks for any insights.
BRETT

Hi WMH

This would be the track you are talking about

Askern Greyhound Stadium, Selby Road, Askern, Doncaster, South Yorkshire, DN6 0ES.

If you or anybody else is interested in the grass roots of the game and want to read real arguments about handicapping  have a look at this site

http://flappersdream.proboards70.com/index.cgi

really friendly mob and will answer any question that is put forward if they can.
westmeadhawk

Thanks Brett - where's Halcrow then.  I don't know of any flapping tracks round here (East of England) are they all further north?
BRETT

Halcrow stadium is GRETNA dog racing stadium.I think it is called halcrow stadium because thats the family that own it and run it.all privately i might add but the family are worth a fortune.

East of england would probably be flapping tracks like

Easington Greyhound Stadium, Sunderland Road, Easington, Peterlee, County Durham, SR8 3TS

Wheatley Hill Greyhound Stadium,Black Lane.Wheatley Hill,Co Durham,DH6 3JN

but it depends on where you call the east of england.
westmeadhawk

Well I suppose I mean East Anglia as I am in Essex lol.  I know Easington though, I used to keep a horse near there.  He was as mad as a fish and I hoped the sea air would calm him down...

Sorry to keep asking questions Brett but here's another.  I know you are a lovely greyhound owner and I consider myself to be a responsible dog owner too.  As I mentioned before we rehomed our bitch in the syndicate when she was injured but I must admit the (what I consider to be the lifetime) responsibility of a dog has put me off more ownership.  I know some people with retired greyhounds (my step-sister and colleague) and some seem to have a real dim view of the sport.  One lady has told me that the rescue place locally has 200 dogs, that (some) trainers just dump the dogs and that the trainers don't have to pay the rescue places to take them in.

I don't get into it too much, but if they are tattooed they can't be just dumped surely and I understood owners paid for rehoming services?  Do I just have my head in the clouds?  Is flapping mainly dogs owned and trained by the one person...
BRETT

More than happy to answer any questions so i'll give it a bash

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One lady has told me that the rescue place locally has 200 dogs, that (some) trainers just dump the dogs and that the trainers don't have to pay the rescue places to take them in.


tricky to answer because there is a difference between rescue centres and rehoming centres.not sure on the workings of rescue centres but the rehoming centres that i know of only take the dog if they have space,if not they ask you to look after the dog until they can either find a home for him or take him into their care.They also ask for a certain amount to help with their costs but even then it is not anywhere near how much it should be because they neuter the dog before rehoming.There is one attached informally to a flapping track that i run at that will bend over backwards to help and the track ran a fundraiser for them not that long ago and raised nearly £1500 for them.They run at a loss but do it for the love of the dogs.

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but if they are tattooed they can't be just dumped surely


Correct but this is a grey area because there is a lot of ways around it for unscrupulous owners.Quite easy to pass the buck and say that you sold the dog to joe bloggs because it is up to the new owner to register him in their name.For example

http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?z...=SPOOKY+PREVIEW&x=20&y=11

This is my dog that i bought 2 years ago and who at time of writing is lying at my feet.As you can see,im not the official owner and i cant be traced by the official owner because i paid cash and picked him up at a service station.But on the other side there is this,

http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?d=JOSHUA+RETURN&x=27&y=11

This is the last dog that i rehomed(Dumyat kennels was a person who i contacted to help but i did it myself and im not happy that she claims the plaudits)The lady who has him has taken responsibility for him by admitting ownership and can be contacted quite easily.She only lives 20mins away from me and i get a regular update on how he is.

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Is flapping mainly dogs owned and trained by the one person...


Mainly true.I myself am one of the many who do it for fun and the enjoyment of watching your hard work come to fruition but there are flapping kennels where they have up to 12-15 dogs at any one time.These people take it a lot more seriously than i do and this is pretty much their full time job.


Anything else?
westmeadhawk

Thanks for all the info Brett.  I really like the picture of your lad who was rehomed, the white marking is very striking  

This is my friend's rescued one.  He had a damaged tail and leg when taken in and there is about a year missing between end of career and being taken in - she wondered if he'd been used at stud.
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http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?d...h%27s+lad&x=30&y=15[/url]

I suppose I just want to believe everyone is responsible like you, but know that not everyone is    What upsets me a bit about Faith's Lad is that he must have provided an awful lot of fun for his owner(s) and it was not enough to ensure a happy fate (although he's grand now!).  I suppose with the missing year they might have felt they had made proper arrangements and then they fell through.  That's the beauty of your arrangement - you know where the dog is.
BRETT

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I really like the picture of your lad who was rehomed, the white marking is very striking
It broke my heart when i gave him away.He was the first dog that i trained myself but he was constantly injured and it wasnt fair on him to get patched up and have to do it all over again so the decision was made to retire him.Worked out great for him though,he goes on holiday with his new owners,hillwalking with his new dad,goes to watch the young lad play rugby and barks constantly on the sideline until he gets a ball to play with.Certainly landed on his feet

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He had a damaged tail and leg when taken in and there is about a year missing between end of career and being taken in - she wondered if he'd been used at stud


I've never been a fan of fawn dogs,dont know why,but he is a good looking dog with plenty of ability as well by the look of his card.He might have been running on the flapping scene for the missing year.Just a suggestion because i cant really see him being used for stud duties and then abandoned but he is in one piece and having a happy retirement so thats the main thing.

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That's the beauty of your arrangement - you know where the dog is.


For me this is paramount.I would rather keep him and get the wrath of the missus before i hand any dog of mine over to somebody who i dont know or am unsure about as a candidate for rehoming.I have that luxury because i only have one or two at a time racing and dont get another until there is space and can wait till i find the right person.Other people move them on as fast as they can so as to get the next one in
westmeadhawk

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For me this is paramount.I would rather keep him and get the wrath of the missus before i hand any dog of mine over to somebody who i dont know or am unsure about as a candidate for rehoming.I have that luxury because i only have one or two at a time racing and dont get another until there is space and can wait till i find the right person.Other people move them on as fast as they can so as to get the next one in


I suppose if you are dealing with quantity you don't have any choice.  I must say it is giving me cause for thought.

oi not so much about fawn dogs either - my lurcher is a fawn and he is as good-looking as Skippy the Kangaroo   I'd like to take him to try a spin as I know he'd love it but I think I'll leave it 'til the New Year. [/quote]
BRETT

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I suppose if you are dealing with quantity you don't have any choice.
I would have to disagree with you on this point.There is always a choice to do right by the dog.Im my book there is no excuse to give a dog to anybody just to get them off your hands so you can get the next one in.Just my view and its not held by enough people if you ask me.

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oi not so much about fawn dogs either - my lurcher is a fawn and he is as good-looking as Skippy the Kangaroo   I'd like to take him to try a spin as I know he'd love it but I think I'll leave it 'til the New Year.
i've had a few people say the same thing to me and i'll give you the same advice.Only do it if you could live with the worst case scenario,i.e the dog loses their life because of injury.Its a different ball game to losing a dog that you own to race rather than a dog who you own as a pet.
westmeadhawk

Do they mean fawns are more injury prone?

It would be a lot better if everyone shared your view on rehoming though.
BRETT

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Do they mean fawns are more injury prone?


Fawns arent any more injury prone than any other colour of dog.

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