alansouthcoast
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Match Bet Non Payers thread.David... Im sorry but i have pulled the thread. As much as i have some sympathy, the Forum is not the place to discuss this. If anyone wishes to talk about the topic, feel free to do so via PM`s
Any thread naming names on the forum will be deleted. Feel free to state your views here, or PM any Admin direct.
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Sky_Of_Darkness
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Re: Match Bet Non Payers thread. | alansouthcoast wrote: | David... Im sorry but i have pulled the thread. As much as i have some sympathy, the Forum is not the place to discuss this. If anyone wishes to talk about the topic, feel free to do so via PM`s
Any thread naming names on the forum will be deleted. Feel free to state your views here, or PM any Admin direct. |
Alan,
Surely this is a little unfair. The thread effectively protects other Forum members from suffering the same misfortune as David UK. In my opinon the removal of the thread is showing "unintentionally I'm sure" support for the people who have reneged on their promise.
Surely people have a right to know the facts.
Sky
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alansouthcoast
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Sky i agree, thats why i said above anyone wanting details can do so via PM. We were very reluctant to let match bets take place for this very reason. We are not trying to protect anyone, and as Jenny said earlier we have tried to make contact. Soory if it seems harsh but we felt this is best dealt with by individuals and will do all we can to assist.
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Sky_Of_Darkness
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| alansouthcoast wrote: | | Sky i agree, thats why i said above anyone wanting details can do so via PM. We were very reluctant to let match bets take place for this very reason. We are not trying to protect anyone, and as Jenny said earlier we have tried to make contact. Soory if it seems harsh but we felt this is best dealt with by individuals and will do all we can to assist. |
Alan,
But anyone (current or new members) who haven't already seen the thread will now have no idea that it existed, and that certain members are suggested to be untrustworthy. Therefore their protection has been removed. Whilst everything is their choice at the end of the day, I still think the "freedom to discuss facts" shouldn't be removed - especially as they are not agressive, rude or in any way over the top.
At the same time, I respect the decision the Mods have taken and the efforts they have made to resolve the issue.
Sky
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Paddydeman
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surely it's not the forum's administration's responsibility to contact the bloke to get him to pay up. Just because this was the place that the deal was struck doesn't mean that they should feel obliged to contact him. You wouldn't ask the county council to settle a bet that was struck whilst out dog walking in the local park?
You make a match bet with someone with this risk and therefore take precautions (details of the other person) at the time of the bet, not once they've decided not to pay you!
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theGoingStick
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I can't understand why that thread was pulled, these things have been discussed before on the forum and names were named. If the mods don't like it why let match bets happen in the public domain in the first place.
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Andy
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I agree with Sky here. I haven't had any match bets with anyone on the forum, but if I do I would like to think that if I won the bet, the loser would pay-up. If there are people on here striking bets that they don't keep to I would like to know who they are so that I would avoid making a match bet with them in the future.
About a year ago I purchased some DVD's from someone on the forum and it was all done by p:m. Having not met each other before we had to put a lot of trust each in other - they had to trust me to send the cheque as promised and I had to trust them to deliver the goods. It all worked out ok, but if that person had taken my dosh and not delivered the goods I would have named and shamed them if p:m's failed to get a response and I would have fully expected them to name and shame me if I didn't pay up.
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alansouthcoast
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Sky, if you recall, there was a similar situation between YY and Roselier which ran for 2 years. We wont let that happen again.
I am speaking personally here and other mods/admin may not agree. I feel i am to blame for letting people make match bets publicly, and not keeping it to PM`s. We are not responsible for any bets made and paid, or unpaid. We are responsible for content of threads though. So far we only have one side, thats not to say i think one way or the other, but say an individual hasnt been online for personal reasons, and returns to such a thread. That would just turn nasty so we dealt with this sooner rather than later.
Thanks for understanding, even if we dont quite agree on the way forward here. I can promise admin will work towards resolving the issue asap.
Regards.....Alan
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alansouthcoast
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Paddy, i know its not down to us to make people pay, but it is down to us to try and be helpful, and at least get both parties to PM each other.
TGS..... Dodgy situation, do we say, no match bets unless via PM`s, or do we hope people that get involved are fristly, honest and secondly accept the risks. I said in my last post i feel partly responsible for this mess.
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kickingkyle
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Alan you should not feel responsible in the slightest. Everyone here is adults (i would like to think) and know the risks involved. As David said its not the money its the principle. I know if i had lost to Three out i would of paid him and he paid me very quickly.
The named person i used to speak to a bit online but he hasnt been around for awhile and his msn keeps trying to send me a virus so there maybe another reason.
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Andy
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Alan,
I think you take too much upon yourself by accepting even a small part of the responsibility. I thought the match bets idea was a good one, and it should have been fun. We are all adults here and nobody was forced or even coerced into making any matchbets. It's a shame that there appears to have been a few instances where individuals have not kept their part of the bargain.
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david-uk
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This is a bloody outrage if you ask me, what right or business is it of yours to pull this.
This is a public domain and I am making people aware of the facts.
Dear oh dear this is sad.
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Tagalie
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I did wonder if a situation like this would arise when the Match Bet thread took off, and it's a shame it's created work and worry for the Admins- we appreciate it's put you in a difficult situation.
It's hard because there are feasibly several reasons why someone has not been in contact- pc problems, bereavement, illness, redundancy etc. The benefit of the doubt needs to be given to a certain extent, but as has also been stated, people are placing their trust in each other and do have a right to be aware of who they may be dealing with.
Most so far seem to agree that David was right to name and shame- perhaps any future match bet threads should highlight the fact that you will be put in this situation if you don't pay up or make contact to explain.
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KautoFleetwood
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| david-uk wrote: | This is a bloody outrage if you ask me, what right or business is it of yours to pull this.
This is a public domain and I am making people aware of the facts.
Dear oh dear this is sad. |
I agree. Can't see any justification for pulling the thread. Very peculiar course of action as I can't see what was wrong in bringing this matter to member's attention or in identifying a non payer, albeit a moderator. If bets can't be discussed in the aftermath then surely they shouldn't be wagered on line in the 1st place?
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awaywardlad
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| alansouthcoast wrote: | Sky, if you recall, there was a similar situation between YY and Roselier which ran for 2 years. We wont let that happen again.
I am speaking personally here and other mods/admin may not agree. I feel i am to blame for letting people make match bets publicly, and not keeping it to PM`s.
Regards.....Alan |
I don't have a problem with match bets being struck and shown on the open forum BUT do not think the amount should be stated as it's a private arrangement between 2 individuals.We object when Sir Bond tells us he's put £100m on Toby McWalsh but don't say a thing when £50/£100 match bets are struck and openly displayed.
Also if a bet is reneged on the welsher should be named and shamed.
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kickingkyle
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I think its more to do with the fact that the stake was agreed before and not after the horse had won.
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DodgeyPunter
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| david-uk wrote: | This is a bloody outrage if you ask me, what right or business is it of yours to pull this.
This is a public domain and I am making people aware of the facts.
Dear oh dear this is sad. |
Am I right in assuming that this forum would probably fall apart if the mods and administrators didn't keep on top of things?, if that is the case i think that you should get off alan's back as he is doing what he thinks is right so it probably is his business. On the problem of your non payment, i agree with you that it is out of order for anybody to renege on a bet and to be honest if somebody's got a problem with coughing up 50 quid times must be a bit hard to say the least  and such people should probably stay away from forums where punting is openly discussed.
DodgeyP
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david-uk
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You dont get the point DP, this sort of information is for forum users to use, so its in the interest of the MODS and admins to make sure its available to read.
I hope that's clear..
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DodgeyPunter
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| david-uk wrote: | You dont get the point DP, this sort of information is for forum users to use, so its in the interest of the MODS and admins to make sure its available to read.
I hope that's clear.. |
Erm.. but if there is no forum then nobody ain't gonna read it ? alan is doing what he thinks is best so i think a bit of respect is due for him, but i do agree with your point about letting users be aware of the information.
Anyway I hope that you get the money of the other poster sometime mate, because as i said before no time for welshers, and why are such people on a forum such as this? Good luck.
DodgeyP
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Papa 3
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| DodgeyPunter wrote: | | david-uk wrote: | You dont get the point DP, this sort of information is for forum users to use, so its in the interest of the MODS and admins to make sure its available to read.
I hope that's clear.. |
Erm.. but if there is no forum then nobody ain't gonna read it ? alan is doing what he thinks is best so i think a bit of respect is due for him, but i do agree with your point about letting users be aware of the information.
Anyway I hope that you get the money of the other poster sometime mate, because as i said before no time for welshers, and why are such people on a forum such as this? Good luck.
DodgeyP |
Devils advocacy, why not do your betting in the bookmakers? just a thought.  
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DIRTY DEN (MAN)
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Well the mod in question has not posted since Gold Cup day.
Not particulary a great mod if he has gone AWOL for a month without getting in touch are they?
In future, bets should be matched on Betfair to stop this happening...
Very easy to back and lay at the odds and your guarenteed a winning payout.
I'm not really suprised someone did this. Looking at the match bets thread, some of you guys had liabilities of £100's....... after a terrbible weeks punting you don't want to be logging onto here to get an inbox full of money requests. IMO this is what has happened.
Unless he comes back with a very very good reason, I would certainly hope he loses his mod rights, and in all honesty he should be banned.
Regards,
Toon
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YAIYAM
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"after a terrbible weeks punting you don't want to be logging onto here to get an inbox full of money requests. IMO this is what has happened."
i think this comes down to do not bet what you cannot afford and i would be surprised if anyone sent requests for payment i would be pretty sure everyone who lost made the contact to pay rather than the winners asking for the money
Just add of course if the loses did not make contact then yes the winners would probably send there requests for payment which would be an uncomfortable situation, which i know because i had to do it
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david-uk
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Your right Yaiyam, the only I sent request's to was Dom, 3 friendly reminders, and then just reminders.
Saint Alebe sent Daylami86 4 reminders and he got no replies, these people needless to say di not bother getting in touch.
I think it worse for Saint as Daylami86 is still posting on the Betfair site.
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DIRTY DEN (MAN)
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| YAIYAM wrote: | "after a terrbible weeks punting you don't want to be logging onto here to get an inbox full of money requests. IMO this is what has happened."
i think this comes down to do not bet what you cannot afford and i would be surprised if anyone sent requests for payment i would be pretty sure everyone who lost made the contact to pay rather than the winners asking for the money
Just add of course if the loses did not make contact then yes the winners would probably send there requests for payment which would be an uncomfortable situation, which i know because i had to do it |
Obviously not, otherwise these chaps would have paid up.
Consider this, you had a banging chelts, won £1500, you owe someone £40 on her....
Or.........
You had a terrible chelts, lost £1500, you owe someone £40 on here....
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Owl of Minerva
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| DIRTY DEN (MAN) wrote: | | Consider this, you had a banging chelts, won £1500, you owe someone £40 on her........ |
I'd get in touch with the winner asap and pay up asap
| Quote: | | You had a terrible chelts, lost £1500, you owe someone £40 on here.... |
I'd get in touch with the winner asap and pay up asap
WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE? I really don't understand how these people's minds work. How do people who think along these lines look at themselves in the mirror every day?!
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Sky_Of_Darkness
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| Owl of Minerva wrote: | | DIRTY DEN (MAN) wrote: | | Consider this, you had a banging chelts, won £1500, you owe someone £40 on her........ |
I'd get in touch with the winner asap and pay up asap
| Quote: | | You had a terrible chelts, lost £1500, you owe someone £40 on here.... |
I'd get in touch with the winner asap and pay up asap
WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE? I really don't understand how these people's minds work. How do people who think along these lines look at themselves in the mirror every day?! |
Owl,
I noticed that you had some match bets with Dom. Have these been settled? I assume so, as I think won a couple. Was he online after Cheltenham to give you contact details etc?
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YAIYAM
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It is no wonder that gamblers have a bad name because i guess people outside gambling would stereotype them to the non payers rather than the majority who would pay up straight away.
Me personally if i did not pay every loser i had there after i would have it in the back of my mind this is why i had lost because i had not paid up on a loser
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alansouthcoast
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| DIRTY DEN (MAN) wrote: | Well the mod in question has not posted since Gold Cup day.
Not particulary a great mod if he has gone AWOL for a month without getting in touch are they?
In future, bets should be matched on Betfair to stop this happening...
Very easy to back and lay at the odds and your guarenteed a winning payout.
I'm not really suprised someone did this. Looking at the match bets thread, some of you guys had liabilities of £100's....... after a terrbible weeks punting you don't want to be logging onto here to get an inbox full of money requests. IMO this is what has happened.
Unless he comes back with a very very good reason, I would certainly hope he loses his mod rights, and in all honesty he should be banned.
Regards,
Toon |
Unlike you in the past, the people concerned havent broken any Forum rules. So they wont be banned. Match bets are nothing to do with the Forum, and shaming people isnt our job either.
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KautoFleetwood
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This site can be very confusing.
A mod steps in and says that any threads discussing non payers cannot be discussed on the horse racing forum but here we are on a sister "Feedback" forum merrily (or not so merrily  ) discussing the welchers we were asked to stop discussing. 
FWIW, whether I'd had a bad Cheltenham or not I'd have paid up. Anybody that welches on a bet is lower than a snakes belly.
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alansouthcoast
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Kauto, i was thinking the same but wasnt about when names got mentioned. I guess you was all waiting for me to go eat.
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KautoFleetwood
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| alansouthcoast wrote: | | Kauto, i was thinking the same but wasnt about when names got mentioned. I guess you was all waiting for me to go eat. |
Only joking, mate.
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Sky_Of_Darkness
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| alansouthcoast wrote: | | Kauto, i was thinking the same but wasnt about when names got mentioned. I guess you was all waiting for me to go eat. |
Wow - 12:15 till 5:45ish. Must have been a 5 course lunch washed down with numerous beverages!!!
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alansouthcoast
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| Sky_Of_Darkness wrote: | | alansouthcoast wrote: | | Kauto, i was thinking the same but wasnt about when names got mentioned. I guess you was all waiting for me to go eat. |
Wow - 12:15 till 5:45ish. Must have been a 5 course lunch washed down with numerous beverages!!! |
If only that were true, after Aintree i could only afford a one course lunch. The first post naming names wasnt until 5pm though, by which i was eating fish and chips.
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Owl of Minerva
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| Sky_Of_Darkness wrote: | | Owl of Minerva wrote: | | DIRTY DEN (MAN) wrote: | | Consider this, you had a banging chelts, won £1500, you owe someone £40 on her........ |
I'd get in touch with the winner asap and pay up asap
| Quote: | | You had a terrible chelts, lost £1500, you owe someone £40 on here.... |
I'd get in touch with the winner asap and pay up asap
WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE? I really don't understand how these people's minds work. How do people who think along these lines look at themselves in the mirror every day?! |
Owl,
I noticed that you had some match bets with Dom. Have these been settled? I assume so, as I think won a couple. Was he online after Cheltenham to give you contact details etc? |
Myself and Dom actually broke even - winning a £30 match bet each, so there was no need for us to exchange any details. He actually PM'd me to say we were all square - not sure he'd have been in touch so promptly if i'd have won both bets! Hindsight suggests that it is a good job that we did break even as I would have been fuming if i had paid Dom £60 and then he had not paid up his debts elsewhere. Thank you Inglis Drever!
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KautoFleetwood
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| alansouthcoast wrote: | | Sky_Of_Darkness wrote: | | alansouthcoast wrote: | | Kauto, i was thinking the same but wasnt about when names got mentioned. I guess you was all waiting for me to go eat. |
Wow - 12:15 till 5:45ish. Must have been a 5 course lunch washed down with numerous beverages!!! |
If only that were true, after Aintree i could only afford a one course lunch. The first post naming names wasnt until 5pm though, by which i was eating fish and chips. |
Any mushy peas?
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kickingkyle
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Dont worry Owl you wouldnt of got a chance to get his details 
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DIRTY DEN (MAN)
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| alansouthcoast wrote: | | DIRTY DEN (MAN) wrote: | Well the mod in question has not posted since Gold Cup day.
Not particulary a great mod if he has gone AWOL for a month without getting in touch are they?
In future, bets should be matched on Betfair to stop this happening...
Very easy to back and lay at the odds and your guarenteed a winning payout.
I'm not really suprised someone did this. Looking at the match bets thread, some of you guys had liabilities of £100's....... after a terrbible weeks punting you don't want to be logging onto here to get an inbox full of money requests. IMO this is what has happened.
Unless he comes back with a very very good reason, I would certainly hope he loses his mod rights, and in all honesty he should be banned.
Regards,
Toon |
Unlike you in the past, the people concerned havent broken any Forum rules. So they wont be banned. Match bets are nothing to do with the Forum, and shaming people isnt our job either. |
Sorry but that is a pathetic dig. And has nothing to do with this issue.
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Swagger
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Quite simple - if you can't afford to loose any money then don't bet, which is what people have already said.
There is no excuse for non-payment of a match bet, even for someone who might claim to have personal problems - We all have problems grow up and deal with them.
Obviously a matter of principle and people who don't pay up sadly don't possess this quality.
A great example of people who don't pay up their loosing bets are like friends that we all have (or have had) who will have borrowed x amount of money over a long period of time from you and eventually cough up or don't pay you back, then if you borrow money once from them and haven't paid it back within a day then they will ask for it back (or send a van-load round) without having the courtesy of waiting another day for the money!
Classic.
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alansouthcoast
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Toon its not a dig its the truth. We cant ban people when they havent broken any guidelines.
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DIRTY DEN (MAN)
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| alansouthcoast wrote: | | Toon its not a dig its the truth. We cant ban people when they havent broken any guidelines. |
Then to prevent this type of thing happening on future, can I suggest a rule that all matched bets are done on Betfair?
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Dan-o
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Wont mention names but someone owes me a score..........Told me the money had been sent still no sign of it.
Not that I give a monkey just the principle that he would of took my money,
...Alan,
I think its best we know the people as say you arrange a match bet next time round with that person?
Common sense?
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Sky_Of_Darkness
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| DIRTY DEN (MAN) wrote: | | alansouthcoast wrote: | | Toon its not a dig its the truth. We cant ban people when they havent broken any guidelines. |
Then to prevent this type of thing happening on future, can I suggest a rule that all matched bets are done on Betfair? |
Not really possible as these bets were level stake, so you'd never be able to match a similar bet on Betfair.
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three out
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| Sky_Of_Darkness wrote: | | DIRTY DEN (MAN) wrote: | | alansouthcoast wrote: | | Toon its not a dig its the truth. We cant ban people when they havent broken any guidelines. |
Then to prevent this type of thing happening on future, can I suggest a rule that all matched bets are done on Betfair? |
Not really possible as these bets were level stake, so you'd never be able to match a similar bet on Betfair. |
Yes I agree - besides why pay Betfair any commission - they take more than enough IMHO.
Match bets seem fine to me and I would do them again via this forum.
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kickingkyle
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Agree with what you have said threeout, i have no problem knowing that the majority on here would pay out and know who id trust to have a bet with.
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lochsong
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Would you trust me, Kyle?
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lochsong
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A person's word is their bond. If you haven't got that, you've got nothing, and the law steps in.
I paid up because I gave my word and I couldn't face the humiliation of being pulled up on the forum.
Personally, I wouldn't have splattered the guilty party's name all over the forum like this. I would have waited. Waited until they posted again, in whatever context and slammed them then.
That way they are banned or caught without any admin input.
LS
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theGoingStick
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| lochsong wrote: | | Personally, I wouldn't have splattered the guilty party's name all over the forum like this. I would have waited. Waited until they posted again, in whatever context and slammed them then. |
Don lochsong, revenge is a dish best served cold
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theGoingStick
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Sorry I've probably read all the posts on here but I can't work out if there was any conclusion to this.
So we can't talk about/name non-payers but can we still do match bets on the forum ?
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alansouthcoast
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From a personal view i have never had a problem with people doing match bets. You should all be wise enough to know the risks. My only thoughts were, and still are, naming and shaming causes problems on the board.
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david-uk
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| lochsong wrote: | A person's word is their bond. If you haven't got that, you've got nothing, and the law steps in.
I paid up because I gave my word and I couldn't face the humiliation of being pulled up on the forum.
Personally, I wouldn't have splattered the guilty party's name all over the forum like this. I would have waited. Waited until they posted again, in whatever context and slammed them then.
That way they are banned or caught without any admin input.
LS |
Each to there own Lochsong mate, I knew after around 5 messages I was not going to get paid, and I am a no nonsense person so I named and shamed. And if you take in Saint Alebe's bet with Daylami86, that guy is still posting on betfair, so he has found another forum, so what do you do then??
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DIRTY DEN (MAN)
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| Sky_Of_Darkness wrote: | | DIRTY DEN (MAN) wrote: | | alansouthcoast wrote: | | Toon its not a dig its the truth. We cant ban people when they havent broken any guidelines. |
Then to prevent this type of thing happening on future, can I suggest a rule that all matched bets are done on Betfair? |
Not really possible as these bets were level stake, so you'd never be able to match a similar bet on Betfair. |
It is possible.... but the bets will have to be those that are playable on BF.
Eg, If your confident Denman wont win, lay him and post yer bet, if you think Kauot wont win, Lay him...
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DIRTY DEN (MAN)
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| alansouthcoast wrote: | | From a personal view i have never had a problem with people doing match bets. You should all be wise enough to know the risks. My only thoughts were, and still are, naming and shaming causes problems on the board. |
Better out than in tho surely?
You dont want this festering for months with snide remarks, arguments etc. At least this way we know who not to have bets with and who are the decent people.
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Sky_Of_Darkness
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| DIRTY DEN (MAN) wrote: | | Sky_Of_Darkness wrote: | | DIRTY DEN (MAN) wrote: | | alansouthcoast wrote: | | Toon its not a dig its the truth. We cant ban people when they havent broken any guidelines. |
Then to prevent this type of thing happening on future, can I suggest a rule that all matched bets are done on Betfair? |
Not really possible as these bets were level stake, so you'd never be able to match a similar bet on Betfair. |
It is possible.... but the bets will have to be those that are playable on BF.
Eg, If your confident Denman wont win, lay him and post yer bet, if you think Kauot wont win, Lay him... |
Doesn't work. Some bets would have resulted in neither bettor having the winner, so Betfair can't deal with this. One horse might have been 8th, the other fell. Betfairs match bets are generally very limited, and some of the match bets were also for multiple horses in the same race.
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DIRTY DEN (MAN)
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| Sky_Of_Darkness wrote: | | DIRTY DEN (MAN) wrote: | | Sky_Of_Darkness wrote: | | DIRTY DEN (MAN) wrote: | | alansouthcoast wrote: | | Toon its not a dig its the truth. We cant ban people when they havent broken any guidelines. |
Then to prevent this type of thing happening on future, can I suggest a rule that all matched bets are done on Betfair? |
Not really possible as these bets were level stake, so you'd never be able to match a similar bet on Betfair. |
It is possible.... but the bets will have to be those that are playable on BF.
Eg, If your confident Denman wont win, lay him and post yer bet, if you think Kauot wont win, Lay him... |
Doesn't work. Some bets would have resulted in neither bettor having the winner, so Betfair can't deal with this. One horse might have been 8th, the other fell. Betfairs match bets are generally very limited, and some of the match bets were also for multiple horses in the same race. |
Then its the nature of the match bets that need to change.... This is just a suggestion to prevent this type of thing happening again...
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FallonFacta
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I think it's been said already but I'd like to add my sympathies to those who didn't get paid out - It must be totally infuriating! 
| DIRTY DEN (MAN) wrote: | | Then its the nature of the match bets that need to change.... This is just a suggestion to prevent this type of thing happening again... |
I don't think Match Bets happen often enough to worry too much about them happening again. But I'm sure if anyone reads about two posters placing a Match bet in the future this discussion will reappear and everyone will be fully warned (by all the other posters as well as mods and admin) that payment cannot be guarenteed.
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Owl of Minerva
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| DIRTY DEN (MAN) wrote: |
Then its the nature of the match bets that need to change.... This is just a suggestion to prevent this type of thing happening again... |
The nature of the match bet shouldn't need to change - the nature of people needs to change
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YAIYAM
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| Owl of Minerva wrote: | | DIRTY DEN (MAN) wrote: |
Then its the nature of the match bets that need to change.... This is just a suggestion to prevent this type of thing happening again... |
The nature of the match bet shouldn't need to change - the nature of people needs to change |
Totally agree Owl there is nothing wrong with match bets and i cannot understand how someone who gambles does not pay on a losing bet, i guess they would be the first to complain if a bookmaker said you had to wait a week for a winning bet payout
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lochsong
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| theGoingStick wrote: |
Don lochsong |
I like that.
But don't you agree?
If they want to hide and not pay, then fine. If they really enjoyed this forum then it's their loss. They can read it of course but can't contribute, because when they do....
BANG
WHERE'S MY MONEY???
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DIRTY DEN (MAN)
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| Owl of Minerva wrote: | | DIRTY DEN (MAN) wrote: |
Then its the nature of the match bets that need to change.... This is just a suggestion to prevent this type of thing happening again... |
The nature of the match bet shouldn't need to change - the nature of people needs to change |
Think this brings up another discussion best left to another time about 'who' are you actually talking to online!
I consider some on this forum as friends and have many a chat on MSN.... are you really ever 100% someone is who they say they are!
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lochsong
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| DIRTY DEN (MAN) wrote: | | Owl of Minerva wrote: | | DIRTY DEN (MAN) wrote: |
Then its the nature of the match bets that need to change.... This is just a suggestion to prevent this type of thing happening again... |
The nature of the match bet shouldn't need to change - the nature of people needs to change |
Think this brings up another discussion best left to another time about 'who' are you actually talking to online!
I consider some on this forum as friends and have many a chat on MSN.... are you really ever 100% someone is who they say they are! |
I prefer eye to eye contact.
Hence I've made the effort to meet a few board members, since I post on here quite alot.
Can one ever be 100% sure though...?
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ngreggors
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Just a thought.......
There is a sticky thread at the top of the feedback section warning of the consequences of posting potentially slanderous comments etc.
Presumably, your IP address gets used to determine your address so that the lawyers can be in touch?
Ergo, can't those that owe money be traced rather easily?
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alansouthcoast
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| ngreggors wrote: | Just a thought.......
There is a sticky thread at the top of the feedback section warning of the consequences of posting potentially slanderous comments etc.
Presumably, your IP address gets used to determine your address so that the lawyers can be in touch?
Ergo, can't those that owe money be traced rather easily? |
The simple answer is no. Firstly an IP will only tell you who the ISP is, not who the end user is. The police have powers to get the ISP to provide the information as to who the end user is, even then, they need a good reason, such as terrorist activities or child porn.
As for us passing over the IP address to anyone, that breaks the data protection act, as far as i know. So it isnt happening.
Just for general info, we (Mods/Admin) have had no replies to any emails we have sent out, as yet.
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KautoFleetwood
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| alansouthcoast wrote: | | ngreggors wrote: | Just a thought.......
There is a sticky thread at the top of the feedback section warning of the consequences of posting potentially slanderous comments etc.
Presumably, your IP address gets used to determine your address so that the lawyers can be in touch?
Ergo, can't those that owe money be traced rather easily? |
Just for general info, we (Mods/Admin) have had no replies to any emails we have sent out, as yet. |
But one of the former mods is no longer a mod?
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alansouthcoast
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Kauto, if you mean Dom, yes we decided to remove him as a mod as he is never here to help.
Just an update, we still havent had any replies to our emails.
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geordie_racer
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| alansouthcoast wrote: | Kauto, if you mean Dom, yes we decided to remove him as a mod as he is never here to help.
Just an update, we still havent had any replies to our emails. |
not surprised
if people won't pay up they won't be shamed into it
the law has no jurisdiction to enforce these agreements by the way
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KautoFleetwood
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| alansouthcoast wrote: | Kauto, if you mean Dom, yes we decided to remove him as a mod as he is never here to help.
Just an update, we still havent had any replies to our emails. |
Thanks, Alan
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david-uk
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| geordie_racer wrote: | | alansouthcoast wrote: | Kauto, if you mean Dom, yes we decided to remove him as a mod as he is never here to help.
Just an update, we still havent had any replies to our emails. |
not surprised
if people won't pay up they won't be shamed into it
the law has no jurisdiction to enforce these agreements by the way |
Your right Geordie, they are a different breed with no morals.
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Dan-o
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I have still not recieved my money.
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three out
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Hate to say it but I think you can write it off now (hope I am wrong). Real shame that such a thing can happen.
On another forum somebody is offering a £1000 match bet! I am involved in the debate as I think the stake is to high on an open forum and may lead to significant bad feeling.
On a personal level the amount is not too relevant - non-payment is non-payment. That said I am pleased that people have not welched on £1000 on here. £1000 would be beyond friendly for an internet anonymous bet...
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Dan-o
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LOL, I have wrote it off.
£1000! That's going way to far for an internet forum bet, Even between best of friends that is going over board imo.
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david-uk
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Dan, who did not pay you mate?
Also I would like to say a thank you to Paddydeman, very prompt payment and great communications. Its how it should be done, well done Paddy.
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Dan-o
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| david-uk wrote: | Dan, who did not pay you mate?
Also I would like to say a thank you to Paddydeman, very prompt payment and great communications. Its how it should be done, well done Paddy. |
Dom.
I don't think he has been on since, So something may of happened to him.
Or am I just making excuses for him?
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kickingkyle
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| Dan-o wrote: | | david-uk wrote: | Dan, who did not pay you mate?
Also I would like to say a thank you to Paddydeman, very prompt payment and great communications. Its how it should be done, well done Paddy. |
Dom.
I don't think he has been on since, So something may of happened to him.
Or am I just making excuses for him? |
Your making excuses for him because he has signed into msn several times and never spoke so i have deleted him.
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david-uk
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Looks like we were both carved up then Dom!!
| Dan-o wrote: | | david-uk wrote: | Dan, who did not pay you mate?
Also I would like to say a thank you to Paddydeman, very prompt payment and great communications. Its how it should be done, well done Paddy. |
Dom.
I don't think he has been on since, So something may of happened to him.
Or am I just making excuses for him? |
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