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| lochsong |
Spa Grand PrixWatch the replay and decide for yourself.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho5vz2BWYxQ&feature=bz301 |
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| MT VESSELS |
With the way the race was run and the excitement and also the way everybody else had accepted the result (ie no protest from Ferrari) i would say yes.
MT jnr |
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| suejoe |
I didn't see the race, but having watched that clip several times I can't see that Lewis did anything wrong, I think he's been robbed!
The FIA will do the sport no favours making decisions like that Sue 
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| geordie_racer |
don't underestimate the desire of the authorities in F1 to punish Hamilton for beng too far ahead in the title race
IE the punishment will stand because it keeps the title race closer |
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| lochsong |
That's a rather bizzare statement to make. They didn't do that during the previous Renault, McClaren, Ferrari years. Having said that you might be right, alot of interest was lost during the Shumacher 'processional years'. Bernie Ecclestone has his interests to maintain I suppose. 
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| Jimbob |
Lewis gained an advantage by cutting a chicane! That is against the rules. It has nothing to do with this hilarious conspiracy theory that some of you seem to subscribe to that the FIA favour Ferrari(if anything they are harsher on Ferrari than any other team) and it certainly has nothing to do with Lewis Hamilton running away with the title as, quite simply, he isn't. He proved himself to be a bottler last year when he was in a much better position than he is now whether this decision gets overturned(and if it does it will prove once and for all that McLiar Mercedes and the FIA are as thick as thieves).
Mclaren have cheated in the past and they tried to cheat yesterday! The FIA, to their credit, were having none of it! |
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| lochsong |
You disappoint me Jimbob.
Lewis gave the place back. Then won the race. Look at the replay. 
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| suejoe |
Yes, and I don't think Ferrari have complained about it, so they must have thought it was ok. Niki Lauda has called it the worst judgement in Formula 1 history. I don't watch Formula 1 anymore but if I did this sort of thing would really put me off, and how come it took such a long time to decide that Lewis should have the race taken off him? I think the decision will be reversed if that's possible. Sue 
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| MT VESSELS |
And if Alonso had done the same, i think your stance would change. Your hatred for Hamilton does equal mine of Murray 
MT jnr |
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| suejoe |
I've just read this http://edition.cnn.com/2008/SPORT/09/09/felipe.massa.lewis.hamilton/ It explains the decision a bit more, to me anyway
I thought that by giving the position back, then Lewis was in the clear but it seemed he still had an unfair advantage, couldn't they have decided this before the prizes were given out though, the whole thing seems a heap of S**t to me. I'll shut up now 'cos I don't really know what I'm talking about
I'll get back to my bikes Sue 
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| Jimbob |
First of all, Alonso would never do that as he is a man of integrity and secondly, even if it was Kimi or Massa doing it, hell even if it was the mighty Schumacher, I would still say the same thing! Of course none of these would do it as they are all play by the rulles and if they gain an advantage by cutting the chicane, immediately relinquish that advantage! |
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| Papa 3 |
MT is in Glasgow today, but he just phoned me to tell you, that is where I lost transmission for a second, but it sounded like those things that rowers put their oars in on the side of the boat. And he said, as for Schumacher, rember what he did to young Mr Hill to prevent him winning the championship, the cheating, again I lost transmission, but it sounded like cat. 
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| LongJ0n |
Absolute farce of a decision. If Raikkonen had stayed in the race and finished a close second I could perhaps understand it. But a 25 second penalty that allows Massa AND Heidfeld infront of him? Shambolic decision to anyone but Ferrari fans. | ||||||||
| Jimbob |
Either it is the right decision or it is the wrong decision. Whether Kimi stayed in the race or not is completely irrelevant! |
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| Jimbob |
[quote="Papa 2"][quote="Jimbob"][quote="MT VESSELS"]
I'm sorry but I do not believe Schumacher would put the life of both Damon Hill, and himself at risk for the sake of a World Championship. Schumi is the greatest driver the world has ever seen. Better than Senna(who I loved) and better than Fangio!He did not cheat, he was so far ahead of the back that he didn't need to. Yes he used the rules fully to his advantage as al great sportsmen do but he was not a cheat! On my one and only trip to Silverstone it was when Schumi crashed and broke his leg. It looked very nasty and all the moronic Damon Hill fans could do was laugh and cheer when he was being taken off in a stretcher! They did not know it was just a broken leg(and even if they did what sort of sick minds cheer when somebody breaks their leg) and it could have been a lot worse. Now don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Damon Hill as I do Lewis Hamilton. Damon Hill's fans are another matter however 
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| suejoe |
I was a Damon Hill fan and I certainly didn't laugh when Michael Schumacher had his bad crash at Silverstone, I was very relieved to see that he was alright So there! Sue
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| Jimbob |
Sorry Sue, I don't mean to put you all in the same boat and of course most people(Hill fans or not) were concerned about his welfare but the behaviour of Damon Hill Fans, and it wasn't anybody else, The Ferrari fans, the DC fans, & the Eddie Irvine Fans were impaeccably behaved, that day has probably tarnished my opinion of his fans. |
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| suejoe |
That's ok Jimbob, I'm a bit bored to tell you the truth and we haven't had a good scrap on the forum for ages, I thought I'd start one, but perhaps I'd better not
Sue
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| Jimbob |
You have caused enough trouble banging on about Moto GP
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| L.C. |
I'm sticking with no - sure he gives the place back, but barely, he just slips right into his slipstream, he wouldnt have been that close coming out of the chicane if he had taken the chicane properly.
Only reason he was as close going into the chicane is because he tries a ridiculous overtaking manoeuvre, and drives too fast, so he's right up Raikkonen because Raikkonen has slowed down to take the chicane properly. It's a shame it was taken off him, but i think if he had waited another bend before attempting to pass, then he would have been fine. I dont hate Lewis by the way - but dont start me on his old man.... Cheers LC |
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| lochsong |
Make no mistake, Schumacher drove Hill off the track. Fact. I've disliked him ever since.
McLaren's appeal is based on the fact that they asked Race Control twice to confirm that Lewis had done the right thing and let Kimi re-pass. RC confirmed twice, otherwise McLaren would have told Lewis to allow Kimi to re-pass again. If they have that on tape then the result is a no brainer. But who know's what the politics are like in that Ferrari loving den.
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| LongJ0n |
I can see this being one that rages on for a long time. | ||||||||
| MT VESSELS |
Always loved that time he won the race from the pit lane, serving a stop go after the chequered flag. Brilliant. Am sure it was the British Grand Prix as well. MT jnr |
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