accajacca
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The accuracy of prices in threads and articles.are boylesports really 5/4 or do you mean 4/5 as if they are 5/4 i'll be having a few quid myself...
Edited to add the following post, which started the debate.
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Original by Value Seeker.
7s
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3PTS Everton 5/4 boylesports
3pts Treble ,Chelsea 1/4 .Man utd 1/3 Man City 4/9 hills
loss to date=17.52 points |
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Machiavellian
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They're actually 5/6 so who knows what went on here
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Machiavellian
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Of the four prices quoted above, guess how many are currently available?
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accajacca
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i c0uldn't possibly speculate
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value seeker
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| Machiavellian wrote: | | Of the four prices quoted above, guess how many are currently available? |
sorry in work ,got them out of racing post ,just been on my break to do the Hills treble ,on the Wed/Thursday coupon and found they are all shorter than prices for hills quoted on page 101 of todays racing post.So never put bet on
All the horse prices come straight off oddschecker as soon as the movement starts ,but dont check every football price ,as its very unusual for them to alter teams prices in shops.
Sure they do in the offices ,phone ,internet etc but you can normally get around that by doing the coupons ,as long as you dont go overboard.
Will change prices at your request ,apologies
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accajacca
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i have asked before but i feel compelled to ask again. on this and your market movers thread, do you actually back the selections with real money?
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Machiavellian
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I don't mind at all, VS. It just makes the thread more accurate for your accounting purposes.
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value seeker
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| Machiavellian wrote: | | I don't mind at all, VS. It just makes the thread more accurate for your accounting purposes. |
APOLOGIES AGAIN
Treble now Man city 4/9,Chelsea 1/6 Man utd 3/10 totesport
Macheda was 7s when put up ,checked with oddscheck.
Everton are now 5/6 general ,so alter that as well.
Regards
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value seeker
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| accajacca wrote: | | i have asked before but i feel compelled to ask again. on this and your market movers thread, do you actually back the selections with real money? |
 sir please ,a gambler never gives away,any of his secrets  
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accajacca
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| value seeker wrote: | | accajacca wrote: | | i have asked before but i feel compelled to ask again. on this and your market movers thread, do you actually back the selections with real money? |
sir please ,a gambler never gives away,any of his secrets |
the only reason i ask is not to have a go, but i don't think you could get on a lot of your bets at the prices you put up, so the returns are completely distorted and not actually a representation of what would happen in the real world.
oddschecker is a handy site, but is slow to update, and the prices on there will not be relevant if the price is moving (contracting) so just saying the price was on oddschecker does not mean you could have backed it at that price - as mach pointed out today.
that's why i have said all along i don't think you could be backing your selections, otherwise you would know the prices were wrong - and your profits would be lower.
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value seeker
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| accajacca wrote: | | value seeker wrote: | | accajacca wrote: | | i have asked before but i feel compelled to ask again. on this and your market movers thread, do you actually back the selections with real money? |
sir please ,a gambler never gives away,any of his secrets |
the only reason i ask is not to have a go, but i don't think you could get on a lot of your bets at the prices you put up, so the returns are completely distorted and not actually a representation of what would happen in the real world.
oddschecker is a handy site, but is slow to update, and the prices on there will not be relevant if the price is moving (contracting) so just saying the price was on oddschecker does not mean you could have backed it at that price - as mach pointed out today.
that's why i have said all along i don't think you could be backing your selections, otherwise you would know the prices were wrong - and your profits would be lower. |
As a guy ,who does a full time job,you dont have to be a rocket scientist to know that it would be impossible for me to get on all the bets i put up at the time,I would lose my main income ,as I wouldnt be paying attention to my work,maybe in two years time ,when i have 40 years in and as I am on a final salary scheme ,I can retire.
Then if I did and betted full time ,I wouldnt be on the forum as it would cost me money in wasted time and giving the secrets away.
So enjoy it while you can and realise the prices ,I have put up ,have been right by oddchecker and if you are quick you might get on.
Any queries on me have a word with ascoast who might be able to fill you in but there is a lot I havent told him.
Maybe this isnt the answer you want ,but it is the honest answer.
Regards
vs
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alansouthcoast
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| value seeker wrote: |
Any queries on me have a word with ascoast who might be able to fill you in but there is a lot I havent told him.
Maybe this isnt the answer you want ,but it is the honest answer.
Regards
vs |
A few points here chaps.
Value Seeker, I wont divulge bits you tell me about yourself via email on a public forum, neither will the other Mods and Admin. If you wish people to know, tell them yourself please.
Acca, Mac and others. I realise VS posts some prices up that are not accurate, we all do that. It is impossible to write an article or longish thread and check info is up to date. It is only as current as Oddschecker or the last time the poster looked at Oddschecker. Yesterday I went to back Eagle Nebula with Betfred, the price changed from 5/1 to 4/1 while I was writing my bet, so even being in the shop, if I had said it was 5s I would have been wrong by the time you checked.
VS often gets a raw deal on his threads, getting asked questions or comments others dont get asked, this is just my observation of the matter, not an accussation against anyone. I really dont think it is fair. We all know that when he started his market movers thread he was using early, and often unaccurate, prices from the RP. From my point of view this wasnt a genuine market move, I asked him to stop doing this and he kindly did. I feel using current, even if it isnt updated, Oddschecker prices, is good enough. To hold everyone accountable for 100% accurate prices is not only impossible but unrealistic. It would only stop people posting views and trying to give a heads up.
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Solerina
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| alansouthcoast wrote: | | value seeker wrote: |
Any queries on me have a word with ascoast who might be able to fill you in but there is a lot I havent told him.
Maybe this isnt the answer you want ,but it is the honest answer.
Regards
vs |
A few points here chaps.
Value Seeker, I wont divulge bits you tell me about yourself via email on a public forum, neither will the other Mods and Admin. If you wish people to know, tell them yourself please.
Acca, Mac and others. I realise VS posts some prices up that are not accurate, we all do that. It is impossible to write an article or longish thread and check info is up to date. It is only as current as Oddschecker or the last time the poster looked at Oddschecker. Yesterday I went to back Eagle Nebula with Betfred, the price changed from 5/1 to 4/1 while I was writing my bet, so even being in the shop, if I had said it was 5s I would have been wrong by the time you checked.
VS often gets a raw deal on his threads, getting asked questions or comments others dont get asked, this is just my observation of the matter, not an accussation against anyone. I really dont think it is fair. We all know that when he started his market movers thread he was using early, and often unaccurate, prices from the RP. From my point of view this wasnt a genuine market move, I asked him to stop doing this and he kindly did. I feel using current, even if it isnt updated, Oddschecker prices, is good enough. To hold everyone accountable for 100% accurate prices is not only impossible but unrealistic. It would only stop people posting views and trying to give a heads up. |
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accajacca
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??? i've already posted my congratulations on his horse racing thread a couple of times i think.
i just don't see the point of keeping a running total that is unrealistic.
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accajacca
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anyway we should probably move the last 10 or so posts to feedback for article writers or something to avoid ruining his thread (sorry VS).
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alansouthcoast
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| accajacca wrote: | ??? i've already posted my congratulations on his horse racing thread a couple of times i think.
i just don't see the point of keeping a running total that is unrealistic. |
I did say I am not having a go at anyone on particular. My view is that if the prices stated are as close to current as possible, then that is realistic enough. I doubt anyone posting about a system using early prices, including myself with the Greyhound articles, is guilty of not having accurately available prices 100% of the time.
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alansouthcoast
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| accajacca wrote: | | anyway we should probably move the last 10 or so posts to feedback for article writers or something to avoid ruining his thread (sorry VS). |
Good point Acca, it`s an interesting debate in its own right.
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alansouthcoast
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I have to say Acca does make an interesting point about the validity of available prices. I always try and get my own as accurate as possible, I dont think any of us can do better than that.
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accajacca
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on my thread i just put the prices i am on at.
everton this week were closer to 2.2 when i decided i was going to back them. they are now around evens after comm, but frustratingly i haven't backed them yet so when i do i'll just record the price i get.
as i've already said my thread is more for my benefit - ie recording all the bets i make over a whole season - so to me its accuracy is important.
i think it's important to at least try and be realistic even if you're not backing your selections - the difference between 5/4 and 5/6 shots being recorded over a whole season is huge - a thread apparently in decent profit could easily be showing a huge loss in the real world recording prices so far out from reality...
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geordie_racer
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poor od me just uses the SP 
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accajacca
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| geordie_racer wrote: | | poor od me just uses the SP |
no arguing with the sp. there in black and white for all to see.
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geordie_racer
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the most iaccurate recounting was (sorry vs) on the tim duncan thread
2 pts lay @ 4/1 wins... loss 2 pts
2 pts lay at 4/1 loses.... win 2 pts
shurley shome mishtake?
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Gorg_George
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I've always put accurate prices up as far as I'm aware as the majority of my bets I actually place and I put the price I took up.
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value seeker
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Interesting your comments ,as you can see from my posts since ,they are all timed at the time I check oddschecker and in some cases if I have time, the time I actually placed the bet.
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Owl of Minerva
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Personally I would never put a price up that I hadn't myself been matched at
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lochsong
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| Owl of Minerva wrote: | | Personally I would never put a price up that I hadn't myself been matched at |
+1
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geordie_racer
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| lochsong wrote: | | Owl of Minerva wrote: | | Personally I would never put a price up that I hadn't myself been matched at |
+1 |
that certainly would be the most realistic way of doing it.
avoids any argumment.
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