value seeker
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The Manchester and London derbies.Thoughts .tips ,in running comments and after match feedback on tommorows two big premiership derbies.
First up Man Utd v Man City 1330KO,followed by Chelsea v Spurs 1600 KO
Utd burst Spurs bubble last week and even looked the better team with 10 men!
Rooney has been on fire this season and will be a popular first goalscorer or anytime scorer choice.Feel we could be in for some fireworks and bald fred 3/1 for a sending off looks on the cards(Sorry for the pun)
City will be without Adeybayor ,Robinho and possibly Tevez , feel it will be tight,but the loss of key players .makes me think utd will edge it ,2-1 for utd would be correct score choice.
Chelsea are unbeaten under Carlo Ancellotti and I expect the run to continue after this game.
Spurs are not a team to sit back but to go forward you have to have the ball,thats not easily done against a sharp Chelsea side.
Saying that Chelsea's fixture list has been quite gentle and this is more of a test.
Feel Chelsea will edge it and have put up both sides to score and 2-1 for Chelsea would be my correct score bet
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shamardal84
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Im really looking forward to tomorrow, this might sound strange but I enjoy watching the premier league a lot more now were not in it...
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value seeker
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| shamardal84 wrote: | | Im really looking forward to tomorrow, this might sound strange but I enjoy watching the premier league a lot more now were not in it... |
Keep up the way you are doing at present and you should be back there next season 
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shamardal84
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| value seeker wrote: | | shamardal84 wrote: | | Im really looking forward to tomorrow, this might sound strange but I enjoy watching the premier league a lot more now were not in it... |
Keep up the way you are doing at present and you should be back there next season |
We were lucky today actually, but here's hoping the last two games have been temporary blips!  See ya next season 
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value seeker
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| shamardal84 wrote: | | value seeker wrote: | | shamardal84 wrote: | | Im really looking forward to tomorrow, this might sound strange but I enjoy watching the premier league a lot more now were not in it... |
Keep up the way you are doing at present and you should be back there next season |
We were lucky today actually, but here's hoping the last two games have been temporary blips! See ya next season |
Some odds for tommorrows derbies
To have most cards
Ladcrookes go................
ev Manchester.15/8 London,13/5 tie
Most goals tommorrow
5/4 London 5/4 Manchester 7/2 The tie
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MT VESSELS
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| shamardal84 wrote: | | Im really looking forward to tomorrow, this might sound strange but I enjoy watching the premier league a lot more now were not in it... |
Really looking forward to it as well.
As Spurs and Man City have both raised their game this season should both end up quite competitive.
MT jnr
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johnnio
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| shamardal84 wrote: | | Im really looking forward to tomorrow, this might sound strange but I enjoy watching the premier league a lot more now were not in it... |
Not strange at all. I've been the same over the last few seasons since Leeds went out of it. You become a bit more neutral now you don't have a team there, less tense, but enjoyable.
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alansouthcoast
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Im going for Lampard first goalscorer again. Spurs and City have been playing some good stuff, but today is a big test for them both. I think we will see attacking football from all four teams.
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geordie_racer
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| shamardal84 wrote: | | Im really looking forward to tomorrow, this might sound strange but I enjoy watching the premier league a lot more now were not in it... |
to be honest sham i am hardly bothering with it
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CanfordCliffs
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Right, off to the swamp now hoping for the best but fearing the worst.
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FallonFacta
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Peeved I can't see it  But Rooney to score and United to win HF/FT - no need to change just cos it's City 
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Owl of Minerva
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AMAZING SCENES!!!!!!
It was the right result given the 2nd half but I can't believe the ref didn't blow after Rooney's free kick was cleared. THe clock what on 95:15 after that and there was only supposed to be 4 mins (personally thought there should only be 3). Ridiculous. Hughes has every right to be fuming. And the ref still didn't blow until 97!
Rio will be breathing a sigh of relief after that HORRENDOUS error
And of course a mention for Giggs. His 2nd half performance was as welll as I've seen any player play in a good while. And his ball to Owen for the winner: 
Great game
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Gorg_George
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Amazing game of football. I think what that game proves most is that Man City are a real force this year, even with one or two big names out, and Owen is looking like he could be banging them in from now, really sharp and clinical still, very impressed.
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Owl of Minerva
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Great advert for the Premier league wasn't it? Would have been watched by hundreds of millions around the world. Pure entertainment, especially that 2nd half
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value seeker
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The old chestnut 'Fergie overtime ' will be in the news again.
City fans must be cursing missing Adeybayor and getting so close.
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johnnio
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Brilliant match, god knows where the ref got the extra time, but worth it though. Looking forward to the Chelsea match. Watched Chelsea midweek and although they were pretty poor, I was impressed with Essien. He was playing the Pirlo rather than the Makelele role; everything went through him, and he passed forward every time, a role not really suited to getting the best out of him, but he was on the front foot and still made a lot of important interceptions. I'd still prefer Deco in that role and am waiting for them to make that change, as I think Deco deep dictating play and Ballack and Essien in the engine room would suit Chelsea better. Chelsea going back to 4-4-2 suits them a bit better, but I think they'll be comfortable today.
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Rochesterlad
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| johnnio wrote: | | Brilliant match, god knows where the ref got the extra time |
Probably something to do with the team being Man Utd and they needed a goal!
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Owl of Minerva
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bbc
| Quote: | | Man Utd boss Sir Alex Ferguson: We gave three goals away today. It could have been an embarrassment - we could have won 6-0 or 7-0 today. But in the end we still we won one of the best Manchester derbies. We have a neighbour, and sometimes neighbours are noisy, but we showed our power today and we get on with life. |
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CanfordCliffs
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Just got home from the match and, obviously, I'm absolutely devastated by the late goal. Having fought back 3 times I thought we'd done enough to get a point but alas not.
The added time was scandalous but I'd expect nothing else at the swamp.
It hurts like mad at the moment but it was a great game and although I thought we just shaded the 1st half, they were undoubtedly the better team in the 2nd half.
God knows why Hughes and co thought it wise for us to sit back when we were creaking at the back but they were the better side and I can't dispute that.
City must defend better. Bridge is crap, Barry is a poor holding player and generally we switch off too often. Bellamy was immense and tomorrow when I'm feeling less bruised I'll be able to focus on the positives.
Right now, I hate Michael Owen but as a passionate England supporter I'm delighted to see him on his way back.
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johnnio
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| CanfordCliffs wrote: | | Bridge is crap, Barry is a poor holding player |
I agree with you there. City have DeJong in there, who played well today, but I think Kompany will be good company (sorry about that!) in there with him and Lescott to me is a much better left back than Bridge. I think Hughes may switch Lescott there and put Kompany in along with Toure in the centre and with Richards on the right (not a great game today) that makes a decent big and pacy defence. Like all good defences though, they'll need time to bed in, and I'm not sure they'll get it. Come January, they should go into the market for a defensive midfielder, they should've gone for Tymoschuk in the summer, Bayern have a very good, very experienced player there and I don't think they paid an awful lot for him.
Don't think there's an awful lot wrong with City really, a bit more time together should iron out a few defensive frailties they have.
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ngreggors
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Looks like the refs in both the games got the results they wanted!!!
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Darren
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Firstly, its a minimum of 4 minutes, and that was before Bellamy had scored.
Secondly, Howard Webb didn't make Spurs concede 3. I know goals/penalties change games but the top teams don't collapse when decisions don't go their way. They plough on regardless. Lennon, who I rate highly, has been anonymous the last two games, and they were games where without Modric, Spurs needed him to perform.
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ngreggors
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| Darren wrote: | Firstly, its a minimum of 4 minutes, and that was before Bellamy had scored.
Secondly, Howard Webb didn't make Spurs concede 3. I know goals/penalties change games but the top teams don't collapse when decisions don't go their way. They plough on regardless. Lennon, who I rate highly, has been anonymous the last two games, and they were games where without Modric, Spurs needed him to perform. |
I admit that the defence was a tad shakey. 3rd goal was pretty unfortunate though. Don't know what Spurs had to do to get a decision there. De Foe was getting kicked out the games first half, Keane's was a penalty anywhere other than Old Trafford or the Bridge, and Cole's barge on Crouch. What the , was that???
Good win for your lot. Guess that's why your all chipper and sticking up for the Sky 4 teams for once!!
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Darren
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There's a lot to be optimistic about with Everton at the moment. I think that the attention that Spurs and City will inevitably get at the moment will be good for us.
Selling Lescott has improved the team and the squad, Rodwell and Fellaini look like beasts in midfield, and Saha is looking like the player everyone knows he is (too good for Everton, but luckily for us in a way, hardly ever fit).
Add to that three of our best players to come back in Arteta, Yak and Jagielka.
Spurs will be fine, they have just realised over the last 8 days that the gulf in class is huge. Sometimes we football fans get carried away a bit with a run of results against dross teams, but as in the Cup Final last season, we all get dragged down to earth with a bump.
5th to 8th is still certain to be Villa, City, us and Spurs in any particular order.
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ngreggors
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| Darren wrote: |
Spurs will be fine, they have just realised over the last 8 days that the gulf in class is huge. Sometimes we football fans get carried away a bit with a run of results against dross teams.
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Like liverpool you mean
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alansouthcoast
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| ngreggors wrote: | | Looks like the refs in both the games got the results they wanted!!! |
I truly dont think it was a penalty, Carvalho got the ball first, Keane tried to keep going but lost his balance. Despite that, Spurs always looked second best today, mainly due to a poor midfield and poor defending. They always looked good going forward but poor getting back.
I hope Bassong wasnt too badly hurt, that looked a nasty landing for him.
Utd V City saw some great goals and poor defending, by both teams. Giggs and Fletcher were superb for Utd as was Bellamy for City. What the hell was Ferdinand thinking so late in the game and a goal up ?
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geordie_racer
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| Darren wrote: | Firstly, its a minimum of 4 minutes, and that was before Bellamy had scored.
Secondly, Howard Webb didn't make Spurs concede 3. I know goals/penalties change games but the top teams don't collapse when decisions don't go their way. They plough on regardless. Lennon, who I rate highly, has been anonymous the last two games, and they were games where without Modric, Spurs needed him to perform. |
correct, and there was a substitution during the added on period as well which is another 30 secs.
4 mins was the minimum
would "sparky" have been moaning f htheyhad run away and scored? or would he be takling about never say die, fight to the final whistle, he game isnt over until its over?
as for ngreggors...both refs "got the results they wanted" you can call refs in the EPL many things but they are not cheats. thats a pathetic comment imho
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Solerina
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You'd think Hughes would know the score when it comes to injury time at old trafford anyway
He should be more concerned with the space his band of Mercenary's gave to united's newest Mercenary in the 96th minute.
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The_Pilgarlic
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I predict Mark Hughes to take a similar stance to the other four 'Big-4' managers and continue to wish the world would cut some slack to his arrogant, misbehaving players while cutting no slack at all to officials and opposition.......
..... sorry, after-timing a bit, but it was odds on.
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ngreggors
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| geordie_racer wrote: |
as for ngreggors...both refs "got the results they wanted" you can call refs in the EPL many things but they are not cheats. thats a pathetic comment imho |
Clearly said with tongue firmly in cheek but call me pathetic all you want. It would take me weeks to go through this forum finding all your pathetic posts 
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geordie_racer
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| ngreggors wrote: | | geordie_racer wrote: |
as for ngreggors...both refs "got the results they wanted" you can call refs in the EPL many things but they are not cheats. thats a pathetic comment imho |
Clearly said with tongue firmly in cheek but call me pathetic all you want. It would take me weeks to go through this forum finding all your pathetic posts |
possibly
but I expected better of you
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golfswing
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Its quite simple really....Teams should keep going to the final whistle.. Ferguson has no more influence on how long the referee's choose to play at the end of the match than does Hughes Benitez Wenger etc etc.. If the referees are that weak that they let managers have ANY influence on there decisions / timekeeping then they shouldn't be referees.
Hughes is turning into a professional moaner (he was the same at Blackburn). If City had scored deep into stoppage time then he wouldnt have complained.
Four weeks into another premier season and already the managers are crying like girls... Bloody pathetic..
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geordie_racer
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| golfswing wrote: | Its quite simple really....Teams should keep going to the final whistle.. Ferguson has no more influence on how long the referee's choose to play at the end of the match than does Hughes Benitez Wenger etc etc.. If the referees are that weak that they let managers have ANY influence on there decisions / timekeeping then they shouldn't be referees.
Hughes is turning into a professional moaner (he was the same at Blackburn). If City had scored deep into stoppage time then he wouldnt have complained.
Four weeks into another premier season and already the managers are crying like girls... Bloody pathetic.. |
agree with every word.
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LongJ0n
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| golfswing wrote: | Its quite simple really....Teams should keep going to the final whistle.. Ferguson has no more influence on how long the referee's choose to play at the end of the match than does Hughes Benitez Wenger etc etc.. If the referees are that weak that they let managers have ANY influence on there decisions / timekeeping then they shouldn't be referees.
Hughes is turning into a professional moaner (he was the same at Blackburn). If City had scored deep into stoppage time then he wouldnt have complained.
Four weeks into another premier season and already the managers are crying like girls... Bloody pathetic.. |
Well said.. If anyone watched match of the day on sunday night they worked out where the extra time came from, 55 seconds from bellamys celebration and then the substitution too made it all add up to one second shy of when Owen hit the back of the net. The whiners should be silenced
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johnnio
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| LongJ0n wrote: | | golfswing wrote: | Its quite simple really....Teams should keep going to the final whistle.. Ferguson has no more influence on how long the referee's choose to play at the end of the match than does Hughes Benitez Wenger etc etc.. If the referees are that weak that they let managers have ANY influence on there decisions / timekeeping then they shouldn't be referees.
Hughes is turning into a professional moaner (he was the same at Blackburn). If City had scored deep into stoppage time then he wouldnt have complained.
Four weeks into another premier season and already the managers are crying like girls... Bloody pathetic.. |
Well said.. If anyone watched match of the day on sunday night they worked out where the extra time came from, 55 seconds from bellamys celebration and then the substitution too made it all add up to one second shy of when Owen hit the back of the net. The whiners should be silenced |
Oh come on, if that had've happened to your team, you would be on this site crying about it, any fan would. I'm not saying the ref was right or wrong, I've seen similar games where little or no more than the original time added on at the end. There's no consistency, that's what's frustrating. The second match had 8 minutes added, and there was way more than 8 minutes that really should've been added. If Newcastle had've been playing instead of Man City Geordie, you would've been on the side that the City (or anti-Man U) fans are now. I've seen matches where refs have given about an extra 30 seconds. The 1st half of the Xerez/Real game last 44 mins 57 secs, which shows how unpredictable refs can be.
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LongJ0n
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| johnnio wrote: | | LongJ0n wrote: | | golfswing wrote: | Its quite simple really....Teams should keep going to the final whistle.. Ferguson has no more influence on how long the referee's choose to play at the end of the match than does Hughes Benitez Wenger etc etc.. If the referees are that weak that they let managers have ANY influence on there decisions / timekeeping then they shouldn't be referees.
Hughes is turning into a professional moaner (he was the same at Blackburn). If City had scored deep into stoppage time then he wouldnt have complained.
Four weeks into another premier season and already the managers are crying like girls... Bloody pathetic.. |
Well said.. If anyone watched match of the day on sunday night they worked out where the extra time came from, 55 seconds from bellamys celebration and then the substitution too made it all add up to one second shy of when Owen hit the back of the net. The whiners should be silenced |
Oh come on, if that had've happened to your team, you would be on this site crying about it, any fan would. I'm not saying the ref was right or wrong, I've seen similar games where little or no more than the original time added on at the end. There's no consistency, that's what's frustrating. The second match had 8 minutes added, and there was way more than 8 minutes that really should've been added. If Newcastle had've been playing instead of Man City Geordie, you would've been on the side that the City (or anti-Man U) fans are now. I've seen matches where refs have given about an extra 30 seconds. The 1st half of the Xerez/Real game last 44 mins 57 secs, which shows how unpredictable refs can be. |
I can't say I would, I don't really cry over football and besides those things happen! I'm a Real fan and watched that game, its a common thing in Spain though theyre a lot more strict about the added time. Ive know them to blow up when a team is in a promising attacking position which would be deemed as the 'final play' here. As much as a bit of consistency wouldnt go amiss how would you feel if we adopted the Spanish way and your team was "stopped" from scoring a goal? Either way this is one of those debates that will carry on, the only way it will go is if added time is abolished which is highly unlikely..
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value seeker
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Micky Mouse has a Fergie watch!
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geordie_racer
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[quote="LongJ0n"][quote="johnnio"][quote="LongJ0n"] | golfswing wrote: | Its quite simple really....Teams should keep going to the final whistle.. Ferguson has no more influence on how long the referee's choose to play at the end of the match than does Hughes Benitez Wenger etc etc.. If the referees are that weak that they let managers have ANY influence on there decisions / timekeeping then they shouldn't be referees.
Hughes is turning into a professional moaner (he was the same at Blackburn). If City had scored deep into stoppage time then he wouldnt have complained.
Four weeks into another premier season and already the managers are crying like girls... Bloody pathetic.. |
can someone show me the rule that says when there is extra time at old trafford the away team can't attack?
it seems to me that man u were winning with seconds to go, the bellamy snatched an equaliser.
there were 4 minutes left
who was in the ascendncy at that point? why dindt man city go for a winner against a team that had defended poorly and had "thrown away" a win in the last minute?
the inferiritiy complex shown by city and hughes was remarkable. it was a case of "we've nicked a goal, we've nicked a point, blow the whistle, blow the whistle, blow the whistle" instead of
"you've thrown it away fergie, we're going for the winner"
manu's attitude was "damn. but its ok we have 4 minutes to take the lead again"
one team wins trophies, the other one doesn't. might this be one small part of the reason why?
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