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would you have Emile Heskey .............................in the England World Cup Squad,topical football question at present?
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Papa 3
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Yes, just for his potential goal scoring, presence in the box, and commitment. He doesn't give guarantees, but not a lot of the others do. 
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johnnio
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Definitely. Think the strikers role has changed a lot over the years, with the different tactics now, a lot of teams use a striker as a focal point, this is why the likes of Heskey and Kevin Davies are worth their wait in gold to their teams due to their presence and selfish work-rate. I'll probably be in the minority of one on here, but I honestly believe that Kevin Davies would be a great asset to the England squad. He'd provide cover for Heskey, defenders hate playing against him, he's a bit of a thug, great in the air and will pull defenders all over the pitch. He won't get you many goals, but then again neither does Heskey.
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geordie_racer
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about the 4th time we have been asked this question in different forms
truth is that heskey creates loads of space for others. he is under-rated by people who watch football butdont see whats going on
endless england managers have understood and understand his value, as do the people he plays alongside.
this is a non-debate because he is as certain to go as rooney, lampard and gerard.
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NoDough
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Of couse he should not be in the squad, how can anyone have a centre forward who doesn't score
Then you get the comment "he is under-rated by people who watch football butdont see whats going on" - you'll tell me next it's good to lose 0-1
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geordie_racer
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| NoDough wrote: | Of couse he should not be in the squad, how can anyone have a centre forward who doesn't score
Then you get the comment "he is under-rated by people who watch football butdont see whats going on" - you'll tell me next it's good to lose 0-1 |
"a centre forward who doesn't score"... interesting.
france won the world cup with a centre forward who did not have a shot on target all tournament (sephan G'uivarch)
Eile heskey is a "centre forward" the way Gerard is a "wing half". The game has moved on. Goals from midfiled are vital,he holds the ball up, he creates space for others.
How many goals from midfield are created, in part, because of heskey's movement and space creation?
PS I am so glad you have joined the ranks of people who understand more about teh role of heskey int he international team than (eg) Fabio apello, who clearly is an idiot for picking him. Who should he have as the player holding the ball up and leading the line in your opinion?
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Gorg_George
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He will be in the squad you would think, but whether he'll be in the starting line-up for the first world cup game is another question altogether, If he can't get a first team place at villa or move to another club in January then he probably won't be in the squad. There is still nearly a full-season ahead and with the exception of Rooney there are 6 or 7 strikers pushing for a place in what will probably be a team of 4 strikers. Heskey, Bent, Owen, Agbonglahor, Defoe, Crouch and Carlton Cole all have a real chance of making the squad if they can keep fit, playing and scoring.
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geordie_racer
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| Gorg_George wrote: | | He will be in the squad you would think, but whether he'll be in the starting line-up for the first world cup game is another question altogether, If he can't get a first team place at villa or move to another club in January then he probably won't be in the squad. There is still nearly a full-season ahead and with the exception of Rooney there are 6 or 7 strikers pushing for a place in what will probably be a team of 4 strikers. Heskey, Bent, Owen, Agbonglahor, Defoe, Crouch and Carlton Cole all have a real chance of making the squad if they can keep fit, playing and scoring. |
which of them, other than heskey, will play the unselfish space creaton role? every good team has one, last time england were good enough to trouble the world cup final stages it was (albeit in a very different way) beardsley.
crouch cant do it (not strong enough or mobile enough), bent cant do it (needs a kenwyn jones figure alongside), owen cant walk 50 yeards without holding his groin or knee and cant do it anyway he's a finisher, defoe plays off a target man type (robbie keane does the work for him in the same way as heskey does) cole and agbonlahor are too similar and niether can do that hold the ball up / pull the defenders away. both like the ball in front of them, not paying with back to goal
actually the nearest similar option would be kevin avies as someone has already said;
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Gorg_George
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| geordie_racer wrote: | | Gorg_George wrote: | | He will be in the squad you would think, but whether he'll be in the starting line-up for the first world cup game is another question altogether, If he can't get a first team place at villa or move to another club in January then he probably won't be in the squad. There is still nearly a full-season ahead and with the exception of Rooney there are 6 or 7 strikers pushing for a place in what will probably be a team of 4 strikers. Heskey, Bent, Owen, Agbonglahor, Defoe, Crouch and Carlton Cole all have a real chance of making the squad if they can keep fit, playing and scoring. |
which of them, other than heskey, will play the unselfish space creaton role? every good team has one, last time england were good enough to trouble the world cup final stages it was (albeit in a very different way) beardsley.
crouch cant do it (not strong enough or mobile enough), bent cant do it (needs a kenwyn jones figure alongside), owen cant walk 50 yeards without holding his groin or knee and cant do it anyway he's a finisher, defoe plays off a target man type (robbie keane does the work for him in the same way as heskey does) cole and agbonlahor are too similar and niether can do that hold the ball up / pull the defenders away. both like the ball in front of them, not paying with back to goal
actually the nearest similar option would be kevin avies as someone has already said; |
Carlton Cole does it at West Ham week in week out, he's a very strong bloke, great at holding the ball up, two good feet, not bad in the air. He's a decent all round centre-forward and definitely one I'd take to the world cup as cover for Heskey if that's who the manager wants to start with. He's had some good performances for England as well and would be brilliant as an impact substitution. If were taking 4 strikers then It'd have to be, at present, Heskey, Rooney, Cole and one of Bent/Defoe, depending on who has the better all round season this year.
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NoDough
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| geordie_racer wrote: | | Gorg_George wrote: | | He will be in the squad you would think, but whether he'll be in the starting line-up for the first world cup game is another question altogether, If he can't get a first team place at villa or move to another club in January then he probably won't be in the squad. There is still nearly a full-season ahead and with the exception of Rooney there are 6 or 7 strikers pushing for a place in what will probably be a team of 4 strikers. Heskey, Bent, Owen, Agbonglahor, Defoe, Crouch and Carlton Cole all have a real chance of making the squad if they can keep fit, playing and scoring. |
which of them, other than heskey, will play the unselfish space creaton role? every good team has one, last time england were good enough to trouble the world cup final stages it was (albeit in a very different way) beardsley.
crouch cant do it (not strong enough or mobile enough), bent cant do it (needs a kenwyn jones figure alongside), owen cant walk 50 yeards without holding his groin or knee and cant do it anyway he's a finisher, defoe plays off a target man type (robbie keane does the work for him in the same way as heskey does) cole and agbonlahor are too similar and niether can do that hold the ball up / pull the defenders away. both like the ball in front of them, not paying with back to goal
actually the nearest similar option would be kevin avies as someone has already said; |
I didn't realise Heskey is now Van Basten and Gerd Muller rolled into one -we must be a shoo-in
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kickingkyle
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Id have Cole over Heskey in the starting line up, said it previously and still stick by it.
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dogsaver
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| kickingkyle wrote: | | Id have Cole over Heskey in the starting line up, said it previously and still stick by it. |
id have a wooden post over heskey it would be more agile, look what he did for aston villa ,last year they were doing well and then they signed him and struggled for the rest of the season
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penleguin
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If Heskey's in the squad and David James is in goal I'd worry about England's prospects as World Cup winners. "World Class" they are most definitely not.
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geordie_racer
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| NoDough wrote: | | geordie_racer wrote: | | Gorg_George wrote: | | He will be in the squad you would think, but whether he'll be in the starting line-up for the first world cup game is another question altogether, If he can't get a first team place at villa or move to another club in January then he probably won't be in the squad. There is still nearly a full-season ahead and with the exception of Rooney there are 6 or 7 strikers pushing for a place in what will probably be a team of 4 strikers. Heskey, Bent, Owen, Agbonglahor, Defoe, Crouch and Carlton Cole all have a real chance of making the squad if they can keep fit, playing and scoring. |
which of them, other than heskey, will play the unselfish space creaton role? every good team has one, last time england were good enough to trouble the world cup final stages it was (albeit in a very different way) beardsley.
crouch cant do it (not strong enough or mobile enough), bent cant do it (needs a kenwyn jones figure alongside), owen cant walk 50 yeards without holding his groin or knee and cant do it anyway he's a finisher, defoe plays off a target man type (robbie keane does the work for him in the same way as heskey does) cole and agbonlahor are too similar and niether can do that hold the ball up / pull the defenders away. both like the ball in front of them, not paying with back to goal
actually the nearest similar option would be kevin avies as someone has already said; |
I didn't realise Heskey is now Van Basten and Gerd Muller rolled into one -we must be a shoo-in |
another post filled with creative positive options
no-one is rating heskey as a world class player, but some of us can see what he brings to the team and question whetehr any of the opions would be better.
apologies, here was me trying to have a sensible discussion 
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Darren
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There was a good discussion on 'The Game' podcast this week about Italy, and their endless supply of centre forwards who are willing to sacrifice themselves, and take the hits, for the good of the team. This was after Iaquinta's performance against Ireland.
Kind of reminds me of what Heskey offers the team. Creating space for Rooney and Gerrard is absolutely essential if we want to even think of winning any silverware.
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Rochesterlad
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Heskey is in rubbish form at the moment. Anyone see his hopeless performance as a sub for Villa against Man City last week? For a giant of man he spends far to much time on the dam floor!!
Really hope Gabby Agbonlahor starts the game tonight and finds the back of the net!
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MT VESSELS
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Have always thought that Heskey (and Crouch) will do a particular job for you well and that is about it. They will never have that extra bit needed to change or win a game.
Good honest pro's but not much else.
Would rather have someone in a game that may go missing for a time during the game but always has a bit of magic to call upon in his armour.
MT jnr
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geordie_racer
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| MT VESSELS wrote: | Have always thought that Heskey (and Crouch) will do a particular job for you well and that is about it. They will never have that extra bit needed to change or win a game.
Good honest pro's but not much else.
Would rather have someone in a game that may go missing for a time during the game but always has a bit of magic to call upon in his armour.
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you cant have a whole team of them though
we have rooney for that, and the only issue is who is the best person to play alongside him
that i, frankly, a no brainer, because heskey is by far the best peson to partner rooney, and to fir in to capello's "plan a" team.
I havent seen any "magic" from a number of england players over the years who have been important members of the team.
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Rochesterlad
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| geordie_racer wrote: | | heskey is by far the best peson to partner rooney |
But Heskey aint playing well enough... FACT!!
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NoDough
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I didn't realise Heskey is now Van Basten and Gerd Muller rolled into one -we must be a shoo-in[/quote]
apologies, here was me trying to have a sensible discussion [/quote]
"he is under-rated by people who watch football butdont see whats going on"" - oh no you weren't
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Rochesterlad
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| johnnio wrote: | | I'll probably be in the minority of one on here, but I honestly believe that Kevin Davies would be a great asset to the England squad. |
Kevin Davies?!! Mr "Ohh look at me running about with my chest puffed out"!! 
Must admit he looked a half decent prospect when at Chesterfield donkeys years ago... But at 32 and with no senior England cap to his name, surely tells you something!
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MT VESSELS
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| geordie_racer wrote: |
truth is that heskey creates loads of space for others. he is under-rated by people who watch football butdont see whats going on
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It always makes me laugh the way this is said whenever the name Heskey appears in a sentence. As though people who think he is good have a better understanding of the game.
He is having a mare at the mo and doesnt even look fully fit, obviously this cant be helped if he isnt getting any club football. But why is that. I would always put it down is that he is a big lad but doesnt alwways put himself about a bit as half as he should.
He is certainly not the future so i would rather have Carlton Cole or even Darren Bent in ahead of him.
MT jnr
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burroughhilllad
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Heskey shouldn't be Plan A, B or C. As someone has already pointed out he's simply not playing well enough. And to be honest, the guy has the build and the pace to be a lot more than the target man he has made a career of.
I'd give Bent another chance. Think he deserves it more than Heskey.
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Dr_tyler
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| geordie_racer wrote: |
which of them, other than heskey, will play the unselfish space creaton role? every good team has one, last time england were good enough to trouble the world cup final stages it was (albeit in a very different way) beardsley.
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Do they?
Utd? No... unless you mean Rooney in which case couldnt he do that for England alongside a better player than Heskey?
Chelsea? Play 1 up with wide men so they dont...
Liverpool? Torres on his own with wide men like Chelsea
Arsenal? Van Persie up on his own with wide men...
Spurs? 2 up with no such player (unless away and Crouch comes in)
Man City? Play 1 up with wide men...
Villa? Play 1 up with wide men (unless they use the player in the mould you mention AND THAT PLAYER ISN'T EVEN HESKEY!)
None of the top teams (bar spurs!) actually play the 4-4-2 that England do so none have the Heskey role... the closest you get with regards to bringing in other players is Drogba and Adebayor but if Heskey was as effective as either of them then there wouldn't even be a debate about whether he plays or not...
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Rochesterlad
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| Dr_tyler wrote: |
Villa? Play 1 up with wide men (unless they use the player in the mould you mention AND THAT PLAYER ISN'T EVEN HESKEY!)
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Villa have played Agbonlahor as a lone striker this season,but normally they play a 4-4-2 with John Carew partnering Gabby up front.
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geordie_racer
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| Dr_tyler wrote: | | geordie_racer wrote: |
which of them, other than heskey, will play the unselfish space creaton role? every good team has one, last time england were good enough to trouble the world cup final stages it was (albeit in a very different way) beardsley.
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Do they?
Utd? No... unless you mean Rooney in which case couldnt he do that for England alongside a better player than Heskey?
Chelsea? Play 1 up with wide men so they dont...
Liverpool? Torres on his own with wide men like Chelsea
Arsenal? Van Persie up on his own with wide men...
Spurs? 2 up with no such player (unless away and Crouch comes in)
Man City? Play 1 up with wide men...
Villa? Play 1 up with wide men (unless they use the player in the mould you mention AND THAT PLAYER ISN'T EVEN HESKEY!)
None of the top teams (bar spurs!) actually play the 4-4-2 that England do so none have the Heskey role... the closest you get with regards to bringing in other players is Drogba and Adebayor but if Heskey was as effective as either of them then there wouldn't even be a debate about whether he plays or not... |
what does kuyt do at liverpool? keane at spurs? drogba at chelsea (who now regulalry playw ith 2 up front). in fact liverpool and chelsa are great examples because the goals that lampard and gerard get through space being created ahead of them is why they win so many games.
also if you include man city as a top team you might look at the space bellamy creates and his limited goals return
you dont have to play 442 and you dont have to wear no9 to be the space creator.
rooney playes a different role 9in the main) for man u than for england and the club play a different style to england so thats another factor.
all i am saying in this is that capello has a style he wants to play, and it includes (in heskey) the best person for a specific role;
in addition it is a method which -with variations - will be used by all the big teams in the world cup
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kickingkyle
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Lampards goals come because Essein does the donkey work, Gerrard seemed at his best when Sissoko was there but now Mascherano does the tacklign and leaves him to attack.
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Machiavellian
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Kuyt plays on the wing for Liverpool imo
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kickingkyle
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| Machiavellian wrote: | | Kuyt plays on the wing for Liverpool imo |
I thought he did in everyones opinion 
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Machiavellian
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| kickingkyle wrote: | | Machiavellian wrote: | | Kuyt plays on the wing for Liverpool imo |
I thought he did in everyones opinion |
I think he just does tbh
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geordie_racer
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| Machiavellian wrote: | | kickingkyle wrote: | | Machiavellian wrote: | | Kuyt plays on the wing for Liverpool imo |
I thought he did in everyones opinion |
I think he just does tbh |
yes he does - to the extent that he plays wide.
so what?
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Dr_tyler
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I thinl the point is that he, like keane, drogba etc, is a very different player to heskey and all were poor comparisons
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geordie_racer
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| Dr_tyler wrote: | | I thinl the point is that he, like keane, drogba etc, is a very different player to heskey and all were poor comparisons |
the point was that these players play the space creating role in their teams
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burroughhilllad
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| geordie_racer wrote: | | Dr_tyler wrote: | | I thinl the point is that he, like keane, drogba etc, is a very different player to heskey and all were poor comparisons |
the point was that these players play the space creating role in their teams |
Kuyt will create space for Torres. And Torres will create space for Kuyt. It's what they are meant to do as part of their all round game. It isn't pretty much the only thing they do as is the case with Heskey.
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geordie_racer
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| burroughhilllad wrote: | | geordie_racer wrote: | | Dr_tyler wrote: | | I thinl the point is that he, like keane, drogba etc, is a very different player to heskey and all were poor comparisons |
the point was that these players play the space creating role in their teams |
Kuyt will create space for Torres. And Torres will create space for Kuyt. It's what they are meant to do as part of their all round game. It isn't pretty much the only thing they do as is the case with Heskey. |
its about having a player who creates space not just for a fellow forward, but also - by moving central defenders around, for midfield players, and/or by creatig overlapping space for wide midfield players and defenders coming forward. inevitably a lot of heskeys work is done away from the ball when playing for england; it is a role which capello clearly values and which he believes heskey is better at than anyone else who might be available. i think he's right.
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kickingkyle
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I think he would be better of using Cole. Stronger, proabably better in the air and better control. I know it was a poor save for Crouch's second but i couldnt of seen Heskey doing what Cole did.
Take the holland match Cole won everything in the air, he uses his size alot better than Heskey does!
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ngreggors
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| kickingkyle wrote: | I think he would be better of using Cole. Stronger, proabably better in the air and better control. I know it was a poor save for Crouch's second but i couldnt of seen Heskey doing what Cole did.
Take the holland match Cole won everything in the air, he uses his size alot better than Heskey does! |
Carlton Cole over Heskey in that role everytime for me.
Looks like there are a lot of people contributing to this thread that know naff all about football then (including me!!)
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Dr_tyler
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| ngreggors wrote: | | kickingkyle wrote: | I think he would be better of using Cole. Stronger, proabably better in the air and better control. I know it was a poor save for Crouch's second but i couldnt of seen Heskey doing what Cole did.
Take the holland match Cole won everything in the air, he uses his size alot better than Heskey does! |
Carlton Cole over Heskey in that role everytime for me.
Looks like there are a lot of people contributing to this thread that know naff all about football then (including me!!) |
...and me...
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ngreggors
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| Dr_tyler wrote: | | ngreggors wrote: | | kickingkyle wrote: | I think he would be better of using Cole. Stronger, proabably better in the air and better control. I know it was a poor save for Crouch's second but i couldnt of seen Heskey doing what Cole did.
Take the holland match Cole won everything in the air, he uses his size alot better than Heskey does! |
Carlton Cole over Heskey in that role everytime for me.
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...and me... |
Well we are Spurs fans!
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Dr_tyler
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True... I've just found out that Keane plays the Heskey-role when I'm sure the role is much more comparable to Rooney for England (as likely to see him at left back as you are up front)... every day is a school day!
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Rochesterlad
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Rooney,Defoe and Crouch would be in my squad then choose between Cole and Heskey.
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NoDough
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| geordie_racer wrote: | | burroughhilllad wrote: | | geordie_racer wrote: | | Dr_tyler wrote: | | I thinl the point is that he, like keane, drogba etc, is a very different player to heskey and all were poor comparisons |
the point was that these players play the space creating role in their teams |
Kuyt will create space for Torres. And Torres will create space for Kuyt. It's what they are meant to do as part of their all round game. It isn't pretty much the only thing they do as is the case with Heskey. |
its about having a player who creates space not just for a fellow forward, but also - by moving central defenders around, for midfield players, and/or by creatig overlapping space for wide midfield players and defenders coming forward. inevitably a lot of heskeys work is done away from the ball when playing for england; it is a role which capello clearly values and which he believes heskey is better at than anyone else who might be available. i think he's right. |
I think you're losing it ...... and this debate, stop digging
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Solerina
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| ngreggors wrote: | | kickingkyle wrote: | I think he would be better of using Cole. Stronger, proabably better in the air and better control. I know it was a poor save for Crouch's second but i couldnt of seen Heskey doing what Cole did.
Take the holland match Cole won everything in the air, he uses his size alot better than Heskey does! |
Carlton Cole over Heskey in that role everytime for me.
Looks like there are a lot of people contributing to this thread that know naff all about football then (including me!!) |
Why should this thread be any different to any other 
Same experts no matter what the topic 
Making the forum very boring these days.
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Dr_tyler
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| Rochesterlad wrote: | | Rooney,Defoe and Crouch would be in my squad then choose between Cole and Heskey. |
I think baring injury (fingers crossed!) Rooney and Defoe will be on the plane and that the others are fighting for 2 places... (2 places that could become 1 if Bent keeps scoring). Crouch is currently hindered by the fact that he is not starting for us, Cole has a very good chance to establish himself as he is the main striker at West Ham and Heskey is currently 2nd choice for his role at his club so its very open...
Personally I would like to see Rooney and Defoe up front. Defoe is much more imposing this season and seems to be (slowly!) developing his footballing brain where as Rooney is on fire and could play the Keane roll at Spurs but obviously in a much improved way...
...long time between now and SA though and by then Defoe might have gone 3 months without scoring! Rooney is the only cert in my eyes as even with a drop in form he'll go while I think Defoe has a place which is his to lose... let battle commence for the other places!
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Rochesterlad
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| Dr_tyler wrote: | | Crouch is currently hindered by the fact that he is not starting for us |
In the three games that he`s been on from the start under Capello he`s scored each time.The fella cant do much more IMHO.
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Rochesterlad
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| Dr_tyler wrote: |
Personally I would like to see Rooney and Defoe up front. Defoe is much more imposing this season and seems to be (slowly!) developing his footballing brain where as Rooney is on fire and could play the Keane roll at Spurs but obviously in a much improved way...
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Yep fully agree.
I think Crouch would be an ideal sub.Just the man to bring on with like half hour to go.Adds something abit different to the attack and defenders hate marking him!
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Dr_tyler
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| Rochesterlad wrote: | | Dr_tyler wrote: | | Crouch is currently hindered by the fact that he is not starting for us |
In the three games that he`s been on from the start under Capello he`s scored each time.The fella cant do much more IMHO. |
Sorry- 'us' was Spurs!
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Rochesterlad
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| Dr_tyler wrote: | | Rochesterlad wrote: | | Dr_tyler wrote: | | Crouch is currently hindered by the fact that he is not starting for us |
In the three games that he`s been on from the start under Capello he`s scored each time.The fella cant do much more IMHO. |
Sorry- 'us' was Spurs! |
lol ohh ok
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dogsaver
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| Dr_tyler wrote: | | ngreggors wrote: | | kickingkyle wrote: | I think he would be better of using Cole. Stronger, proabably better in the air and better control. I know it was a poor save for Crouch's second but i couldnt of seen Heskey doing what Cole did.
Take the holland match Cole won everything in the air, he uses his size alot better than Heskey does! |
Carlton Cole over Heskey in that role everytime for me.
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...and me... |
and me but i supose we havent spent all these years watching newcastle
so we therefore cant have a clue
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Gorg_George
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Current form Cole over Heskey and definitely Darren Bent in the mix somewhere. But this is a long season just getting going, many things can happen, it may even result in the 4 strikers that are fit are the 4 strikers that go out of the 8 or so candidates.
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geordie_racer
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| dogsaver wrote: | | Dr_tyler wrote: | | ngreggors wrote: | | kickingkyle wrote: | I think he would be better of using Cole. Stronger, proabably better in the air and better control. I know it was a poor save for Crouch's second but i couldnt of seen Heskey doing what Cole did.
Take the holland match Cole won everything in the air, he uses his size alot better than Heskey does! |
Carlton Cole over Heskey in that role everytime for me.
Looks like there are a lot of people contributing to this thread that know naff all about football then (including me!!) |
...and me... |
and me but i supose we havent spent all these years watching newcastle
so we therefore cant have a clue |
tell me which football you do watch live?
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kickingkyle
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| Rochesterlad wrote: | | Dr_tyler wrote: |
Personally I would like to see Rooney and Defoe up front. Defoe is much more imposing this season and seems to be (slowly!) developing his footballing brain where as Rooney is on fire and could play the Keane roll at Spurs but obviously in a much improved way...
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Yep fully agree.
I think Crouch would be an ideal sub.Just the man to bring on with like half hour to go.Adds something abit different to the attack and defenders hate marking him! |
Thats the reason id have him, not to start with though. Desperation to get a goal, long ball put on bean pole.
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theGoingStick
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| kickingkyle wrote: | | Rochesterlad wrote: | | Dr_tyler wrote: |
Personally I would like to see Rooney and Defoe up front. Defoe is much more imposing this season and seems to be (slowly!) developing his footballing brain where as Rooney is on fire and could play the Keane roll at Spurs but obviously in a much improved way...
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Yep fully agree.
I think Crouch would be an ideal sub.Just the man to bring on with like half hour to go.Adds something abit different to the attack and defenders hate marking him! |
Thats the reason id have him, not to start with though. Desperation to get a goal, long ball put on bean pole. |
Also bring on Beckham as well to deliver the long ball.
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geordie_racer
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can i just ask how many of the people who are on here saying dont take heskey to the world cup think capello will take him?
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The_Pilgarlic
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I think he's good target man and a model pro but doesn't score enough goals, irrespective of how many you think he may create.
If I were to take him to the WC he'd need to be fit, playing well and have made 20+ club appearances between Xmas and the summer playing a decent length of time even if he was coming on as sub.
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NoDough
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I would not take him
If fit Capello will take him
But remember Fergie selected Darren Ferguson for the best part of 2 years in the Man U midfield ! kin ell !
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geordie_racer
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| NoDough wrote: |
But remember Fergie selected Darren Ferguson for the best part of 2 years in the Man U midfield ! kin ell ! |
did they win anything? 
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Rochesterlad
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The Villa Manager has got it right with Heskey IMHO. The players out of form and therefore not starting matches...But Capello aint quite on the same wave length! Heskey`s not playing well enough..
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Dr_tyler
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| geordie_racer wrote: |
tell me which football you do watch live? |
Fulham season ticket holder, Spurs 2 - 3 times a year, Aldershot Town 2 - 3 times a year, AFC Wimbledon now and again... why?
As for HEskey- I think if the world cup was now Capello would take him but I doubt he'll go in the summer because I cant see MON playing him enough...
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Rochesterlad
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| Dr_tyler wrote: |
Fulham season ticket holder, Spurs 2 - 3 times a year, Aldershot Town 2 - 3 times a year, AFC Wimbledon now and again... |
AFC Wimbledon? They travel down to Crawley next weekend for the fourth qualifying round of the FA Cup.
The Girlfriend lives like 300 yards away from the Broadfield Stadium.
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Rochesterlad
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| Dr_tyler wrote: |
As for HEskey- I think if the world cup was now Capello would take him but I doubt he'll go in the summer because I cant see MON playing him enough... |
Still along season ahead...The Villa boss will give Heskey his chance no doubt..Down to the player if he takes it.
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Dr_tyler
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| Rochesterlad wrote: | | Dr_tyler wrote: |
Fulham season ticket holder, Spurs 2 - 3 times a year, Aldershot Town 2 - 3 times a year, AFC Wimbledon now and again... |
AFC Wimbledon? They travel down to Crawley next weekend for the fourth qualifying round of the FA Cup.
The Girlfriend lives like 300 yards away from the Broadfield Stadium. |
My best mate is a fan so I go with him a few times- its amazing how accustomed I have become with premiership football (I used to watch Aldershot every week) as whenever I go and see a lower league game now it seems to be errors that lead to goals rather than skill!
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lenahan
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| penleguin wrote: | | If Heskey's in the squad and David James is in goal I'd worry about England's prospects as World Cup winners. "World Class" they are most definitely not. |
Yup. Cant stand seeing Calamity in goal for England. He more or less gives the opposition a +1 start on the handicap. Heskey offers value to the team but he doesnt score as we all well know. Id probably have him and play him though because i think thats about the best option going.
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geordie_racer
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| Dr_tyler wrote: | | geordie_racer wrote: |
tell me which football you do watch live? |
Fulham season ticket holder, Spurs 2 - 3 times a year, Aldershot Town 2 - 3 times a year, AFC Wimbledon now and again... why?
As for HEskey- I think if the world cup was now Capello would take him but I doubt he'll go in the summer because I cant see MON playing him enough... |
not asked of you....
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geordie_racer
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| lenahan wrote: | | [ Heskey offers value to the team but he doesnt score as we all well know. Id probably have him and play him though because i think thats about the best option going. |
at last....
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Rochesterlad
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| geordie_racer wrote: | | lenahan wrote: | | [ Heskey offers value to the team but he doesnt score as we all well know. Id probably have him and play him though because i think thats about the best option going. |
at last....
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Hmmmm
Ok...An in form Heskey is great in the air,holds the ball up well and brings other players into the action..Problem is at the moment he`s playing rubbish!! 
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geordie_racer
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| Rochesterlad wrote: | | geordie_racer wrote: | | lenahan wrote: | | [ Heskey offers value to the team but he doesnt score as we all well know. Id probably have him and play him though because i think thats about the best option going. |
at last....
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Hmmmm
Ok...An in form Heskey is great in the air,holds the ball up well and brings other players into the action..Problem is at the moment he`s playing rubbish!! |
BUT .... and tihs is the point... he gives the team what capello wants in that role more than the others do
im taking match bets he will be ont he plane.
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Rochesterlad
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| geordie_racer wrote: | | Rochesterlad wrote: | | geordie_racer wrote: | | lenahan wrote: | | [ Heskey offers value to the team but he doesnt score as we all well know. Id probably have him and play him though because i think thats about the best option going. |
at last....
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Hmmmm
Ok...An in form Heskey is great in the air,holds the ball up well and brings other players into the action..Problem is at the moment he`s playing rubbish!! |
BUT .... and tihs is the point... he gives the team what capello wants in that role more than the others do
im taking match bets he will be ont he plane. |
Remember Crouch CAN play this role too..Ok he`s not as strong but he scores goals which is more then can be said for Heskey!
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burroughhilllad
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Heskey will go if he's fit. There is little doubt about that.
And he will probably get a few games because we will meet lesser opposition that will struggle to contain him.
However once we meet a better class of opposition we can't afford to carry him. We need someone who can throw his weight round, can make space for others, is good in the air, AND CAN SCORE GOALS!
Dependin g how they progress this year it will be Bent, Cole or Defoe alongside Rooney. Crouch will be on the bench.
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L.C.
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I say dont take him - there is a beach ball in Sunderland that has scored more than Heskey this season - Capello would be better off checking if it was made in England.
Cheers
LC
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