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Irishman Denis Lynch and three others are barred from competing
after positive dope tests. Seemingly it's a substance like Chilli
Peppers. Something does'nt quite add up here. I know Denis
loved his horse and travelled 200kms every day to see the horse
in quarantine. All seemingly top horses ruled out.
I know Denis's family real well and I feel for them as it is
a slur whatever way you look at it in guilt or innocence. _________________ Life is what happens while you're busy making plans.
It's the Team Vet's job to know what is and isn't allowed surely. In light of that Romanian gymnast who got stripped of her gold after using a Vicks inhaler for a cold, you'd think people would be ultra careful these days.... _________________ Known as the catch of the camp.
It's the Team Vet's job to know what is and isn't allowed surely. In light of that Romanian gymnast who got stripped of her gold after using a Vicks inhaler for a cold, you'd think people would be ultra careful these days....
Yeah should have brought Mr. Ed along as an interpreter
Seriously though i heard a vet on irish radio before saying that he reckons this is often used in sore joints and that it never showed up as an issue. Reckons the tests in China are so advanced that it's showing up when previously it was not detectable. I'm sure no one will get caught out again. Tough way to learn.
Sorry chaps, but it certainly adds up. Capsicain comes from capsicums (hence the name) and is what makes chili peppers hot. If it is extracted and concentrated and/or mixed with other things, it can have two effects - the numbing of pain in joints and soft tissue caused by injury, arthritis and so on - and also the hypersensitisation of any skin it touches if it is strong enough (so that the area rubbed with it hurts -a lot. Has anyone cut up chili peppers and then by mistake rubbed their eyes with a bare hand? It is agony....)
I don't want to prejudge, because capsicain does form an ingredient of deep heat rubs for injury and arthritis - but whatever the motive for applying it, it is on the list of banned substances, for a reason (that it can be used to treat horses' legs so that they hurt if they touch a pole and they will then make every effort to clear said pole without touching it). A while ago, showjumpers were routinely bandaging their horses' legs over an application of abrasive poultice, for the same reason. All you saw was the protective bandages - the horses' legs were pretty much raw underneath. Thank God this was stopped.
And think about it, if capsicain is an ingredient, then it probably has novocain in it as well....a known pain killer with the ability to mask injury.
It's the Team Vet's job to know what is and isn't allowed surely. In light of that Romanian gymnast who got stripped of her gold after using a Vicks inhaler for a cold, you'd think people would be ultra careful these days....
Yes, absolutely. And one presumes that the list of banned substances are readily available to vets and participants - there would be no point, otherwise.
I can envisage a situation where a substance is newly added and a groom who is used to applying it routinely either doesn't know or forgets, but surely the team vet should be on top of this kind of thing. (and I don't mean the groom!!)
...... so that they hurt if they touch a pole and they will then make every effort to clear said pole without touching it
Thanks Jenny, another informative post.
That's what I don't like about showjumping, the methods sometimes used in training to give a horse an incentive to make sure it's legs don't touch the poles, they certainly have no concept of faults for fences knocked down!
Steven Hadley keeps commenting on how kind the light poles are for the horses, he doesn't mention rapping! That wasn't kind at all, and I'm sure it must still go on.
There are other unkind methods of training showjumpers, I won't mention them because I might not have my facts right.
I used to like showjumping but not so keen on it these days, this is the first showjumping I've seen since Athens!
Sue
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I'm just watching the girls jumping in this at the moment.
They've just showed some of the above clips of the boys, the horse that refused at the wall had a lucky escape, he ended up on his back and when he got to his feet he put his foot through a piece of the wall, he looked fine afterwards though. I felt very sorry for those boys, their horses weren't the most obliging mounts. They swapped some of them for today.
I'm fuming at the moment, one of the girls has just jumped a round on a horse who was clearly wrong, he was very disunited all the way round, and wasn't happy, anyway after the final fence he was cantering along carrying a hind leg completely off the ground.
When he pulled up his leg was on the ground but it looked awful, the rider didn't seem in a hurry to jump off him, which was bad. I was worried it was a fatal injury. I thought maybe he'd banged himself but it didn't look good, Claire said we won't be seeing him jumping again today, and I'm sure she feared the worst.
Anyway the poor horse has been been jumped twice since then! Still clearly not right, Claire was not impressed, you could tell! No way should that horse have been jumped again today.
I was looking forward to watching the pentathlon showjumping, more enjoyable than watching the professionals, how wrong I was!
I enjoyed the showjumping phase of the eventing though, I couldn't fault that.
I can't believe it Sue - I saw the original round when Clare B said "he's hopping lame behind" and saw the evidence with my own eyes.
Did they really jump him again?
Was he still as lame or had he picked up something in his foot that could be picked out. As you see I am clutching at straws because it seems atrocious _________________ Greet people with four kisses - one for each cheek... Duke Ellington
Yes he did do another 2 rounds. He wasn't as bad, but he was definitely wrong behind. Kept losing his action and getting off balance. He also throws one of his legs out to the side at the hock when he was seen going away from the camera.
To be honest, this is exactly what I expected with the Chinese, they have no regard for animals at all (even Claire Balding pointed this out). If a horse fell then nobody bothered to even walk it forward to check it was sound before they gave a leg-up to the rider. I worry what is going to happen to these horses now, Claire was saying that some of them are ex-racers.
The Chinese should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves for this as well as the abysmal points scoring in other sports.
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