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The comment was a tongue in cheek one based on what I had said about Conduit before the St leger, hence why I used the and hence why there was no need for any reasoning
Yes Rick, goes for the Sheema Classic I believe. Has shown he can travel abroad fine, go well fresh, stay, and he ran huge tonight (far better than many will realise due to the pace issue) and will still probably be a decent price as he has yet to win a big one. Fair play to Conduit but I think EM was maybe the best horse in the race tonight. Mike De Kock again showing himself to be a really top trainer
the best horse doesnt always win
i was all over the 11 in the horizontal wagers
then i remembered rail link and played 9-11 exacta
Again what has Rail Link got to do with this race? Glad to see you took my advice that Eagle Mountain was the biggest danger though
sorry i told you red rocks early that year as close up to rail link
I'll take that (now deleted) comment as fuelled by the US election thread; any regular followers of this forum know the truth - the facts speak for themselves. But again I'm glad that I helped you out with Eagle Mountain and told you that Curlin was very vulnerable in the Classic and that Raven's Pass was the one to beat. Hope you made a few cents from those
Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 1:07 am Post subject: Re: breeders cup turf
alansouthcoast wrote:
Owl of Minerva wrote:
Owl of Minerva wrote:
If Conduit wins this race I'll give up gambling. I actually think newyorktony must be winding us up saying that 5's is a good price. No chance.
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I just can't be having Conduit though - I hope he runs unplaced just to slightly vindicate me after I also wrote him off for the Leger
Sometimes you just have to hold your hands up and say you were wrong!
They did go far too fast up front though so it was nicely set up for an out and out stayer!
Fair play for holding your hands up Owl. I`m impressed.
I have no problem admitting that I am wrong; I'd rather have an opinion and be wrong than have no opinion at all and/or make smart arse comments afterwards I take it as a compliment though - smaller people wanting to knock the bigger people on the rare opportunity that they get
i am saying i first mentioned red rocks and you rejected the idea in a similar manner as the 9
then you later changed and i believe you ended up betting him
I don't recall being anti RR initially (though yes I did bet him) though it is possible I guess. And plus I didn't join this forum until after BC 2006.
But I still don't see how that relates to you backing Conduit tonight. Surely you weren't basing your initial assesment of Conduit on one throw away comment by me at the start of this thread? And surely you didn't change your mind about Conduit tonight solely because you remembered I had (supposedly) been initially wrong about the chances of Red Rocks back in 2006?
I am probably the least cavalier person on this board. I tend to go into far more depth about my reasoning than most on here. It's simply that I like to be 'bullish' about my selections and like to be forthright and not sit on the fence - just because I wrote a dismissive comment about Conduit it doesn't mean I hadn't properly considered him. I absolutely had. My 'give up gambling' and 'no chance' comments were tongue in cheek (based on Conduit and the St. Leger where I also said he was a bad price) which I'm sure most people picked up on. You just need to know how I talk. Lost in translation probably.
I'm not interested in cultivating an image of being a pro; as you say I don't want to be one; if I want to say something I say it. You may respect people that 'act like pro's' but if acting like a pro means not saying anything bullish for fear of being wrong and not appearing like a pro then I'm not into that.
If the race had panned out differently (i.e; they let the pacemaker go on rather than tracking him so closely - perfectly possible scenario and what was generally expected to happen) then I'm sure we could have got a much different result and Conduit may have been 2nd, 3rd or 4th. And then suddenly I would have been 'right' about him. Wouldn't have made me any better or worse a gambler though; I'm not that fickle.
ps; I was basing my assesment of Conduit on there not being an absolutely suicidal pace. Obviously when there was a really fast pace (and Eagle Mountain and SoF strangely chased it closely) there was a good chance the horse with proven 1m6f form would be favoured. But for sure he's a better horse than I've given him credit for before - but I still don't really like any of his previous form before todays race
Conduit was made for this coure and ground. Go back to his win at Epsom, it was a handicap but he won it like a world beater. In fact I would say the race last night was very similar. Michael Stoute said a week ago this horse did a brilliant peice of work, ladbrokes went from 6/1 into 3/1 in one go, they knew!
Agree about Murtagh, he is no Fallon and I have never rated him in the US.
has won 4 out his last five races now including a classic and breeders cup!! very much looking forward to seeing him next year, im pleased ryan moore has had a winner too.......
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and hence why there was no need for any reasoning
