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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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but he was an adult when he did that.



Did what? Was he proven guilty of something?


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They're talking about seperating the music and the man - I can't do that - things that he was alledged to have done will never be resolved.  His childhood was destroyed - but has he destroyed other childhoods too, but he was an adult when he did that.

Time to turn off the TV - can't hear him compared to Elvis and Kurt Cobain

Elvis maybe, but Kurt Cobain???  -  Talentless oik. I reckon his knuckle-headed wife had more talent than him, awful amateurish guitar work. Michael may very well have been a kiddy-fiddler, but God he was a talented one.

They mentioned him on Sky which is what brought him to my mind

I started on the opposing side of grunge but Kurt Cobain was huge for me.  He was messed up too but if I had to pick an Icon I'd prefer him.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

99% of all child molesters were molested themselves, that's why it's such a sad and vile act. Paedophiles destroy so many lives when they continue there abuse on others.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lochsong wrote:
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but he was an adult when he did that.



Did what? Was he proven guilty of something?

And I was trying to be so careful - no as far as I know nothing was ever proven.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Blimey Farrah Fawcett died earlier today as well, there must be something in the water over there  


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just heard some breaking news as to how he died.

It's unconfirmed, but they say he's said to have choked on some 12 year old nuts...
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poor old Michael, gone the way of many greats before him

Elvis - bloated drug addict died on the can

Deano - drunk

Sinatra - gangster

Hendrix - choked on vomit

the list goes on.....

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Absolute legend of the music world, made what (in my opinion) is the greatest "pop" album of all time.  Shame he was so odd! I've already heard 7 Michael Jackson jokes, 1 of which was funny, PM me if you want to hear it..

All in all, RIP Michael Jackson, The King of Pop and possibly the greatest musical artist of all time (possibly).
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was not aware of any of this last night. Didnt watch the news and was in bed at 10.30pm.
Seeing the headline in the paper this paper sent a chill down my spine. Well and truly shocked and had to phone the missus to see if it was on the telly.
I was only 8 when Elvis died so didnt appreciate the enormity back then. Jacko, apart from all his disgraceful side to his nature, is the biggest pop icon i have grown up with.
Dont blame people for having a dig and a joke about him as was not a huge fan and i will probably laugh at some of the jokes that will come out and he has brought that type of split in the public opinion on himself.
RIP MJ

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you want to seperate the music and the man he is nowhere near sinatra, elvis, the beatles in terms of pop and

he was nowhere near even the biggest motown influence (smokey robinson, holland/dozier/holland, 4 tops, marvin gaye and of course the supremes/diana ross)

yes, ona a par with kurt cobain. over-rated and dead.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me the difference between Michael Jackson and the other artists mentioned is that he had a career as a child, which probably lead in part to all the other stranger aspects of his life as an adult.

It is still a source of pain to me to see (or hear this morning particularly) that beautiful little kid singing such feel good tunes as ABC and Rocking Robin with such "apparent" joie de vivre  
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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For me the difference between Michael Jackson and the other artists mentioned is that he had a career as a child, which probably lead in part to all the other stranger aspects of his life as an adult.

It is still a source of pain to me to see (or hear this morning particularly) that beautiful little kid singing such feel good tunes as ABC and Rocking Robin with such "apparent" joie de vivre  


Don't forget Ben, superb song.

Edited to add that the song is playing now on the radio.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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if you want to seperate the music and the man he is nowhere near sinatra, elvis, the beatles in terms of pop and

he was nowhere near even the biggest motown influence (smokey robinson, holland/dozier/holland, 4 tops, marvin gaye and of course the supremes/diana ross)

yes, ona a par with kurt cobain. over-rated and dead.

best dancer of the lot mind.


I think it is all to do with opinions and what year you were born.
I have always held the opinion that Elvis was over rated, never liked his music and never understood why everyone was upset when he died. I was only 8. I also felt that when Lennon got shot, what was all the fuss. I was only 11.
I am 40 in a couple of weeks and thoughout my life Jacko has always been there topping the charts. I cant really fully appreciate any of the Motown greats and Sinatra and The Beatles as i wasnt around at the time when they made their wonderful music.
I have tried to explain to Papa what i felt this morning, really difficult.
As i have said, i am not a fan but the shock when i read the front of the paper this morning was really weird.
I can only think that he is the 1st iconic figure (imo) in music to have died whilst i am old enough to understand it properly. I am not sad or that particularly bothered by it but am concerned as to why i was really shocked and taken aback.
Sorry to waffle

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MT VESSELS wrote:
geordie_racer wrote:
if you want to seperate the music and the man he is nowhere near sinatra, elvis, the beatles in terms of pop and

he was nowhere near even the biggest motown influence (smokey robinson, holland/dozier/holland, 4 tops, marvin gaye and of course the supremes/diana ross)

yes, ona a par with kurt cobain. over-rated and dead.

best dancer of the lot mind.


I think it is all to do with opinions and what year you were born.
I have always held the opinion that Elvis was over rated, never liked his music and never understood why everyone was upset when he died. I was only 8. I also felt that when Lennon got shot, what was all the fuss. I was only 11.
I am 40 in a couple of weeks and thoughout my life Jacko has always been there topping the charts. I cant really fully appreciate any of the Motown greats and Sinatra and The Beatles as i wasnt around at the time when they made their wonderful music.
I have tried to explain to Papa what i felt this morning, really difficult.
As i have said, i am not a fan but the shock when i read the front of the paper this morning was really weird.
I can only think that he is the 1st iconic figure (imo) in music to have died whilst i am old enough to understand it properly. I am not sad or that particularly bothered by it but am concerned as to why i was really shocked and taken aback.
Sorry to waffle

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Definitely a gererational thing.
Elvis, take him or leave him. Kurt Cobain, absolutely no comparison to Jacko.
If you went through Jackson's entire discography there is no way in the world that you could deny he was a genious. Flawed as a person, but a musical genius none the less.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul Gambacini just said he was the first global pop superstar, that Thriller was the biggest selling album of all time, that he was the first video superstar and that although his weirdness will be a long footnote what will endure is his musical gift.  He also said he belonged in the top ten artists of all time, whichever other 9 you choose to put in, and I am happy with that summation.

I think the generational thing is true, if you are around 40 it was the soundtrack to life (whether you liked it or not!).



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