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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope people will go home and put on Thriller (which everyone should own) and remember him for those killer tunes, not the media carcrash of the past 15 years or so.

I read an article about Britney recently, and the absolute control her father now has over every aspect of her life following her horribly public breakdown. Made for very sober reading- the crowd of people, inc family members, who surround very young stars and end up manipulating them for their own benefit, means they seem to have little chance of properly growing up and behaving normally. I wouldn't swap places with her at all.

I remember the weekend of Kurt Cobain's death extremely well- I suspect you would have to be a teenage fan to have really felt its impact though.



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some nicely put sentiments above.

I'll never forget 1983 at the local night club when a newly emerging MTV aired Thriller - everything stopped and everybody's eyes were glued to the screen.

That was something special.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Absolute legend of the music world, made what (in my opinion) is the greatest "pop" album of all time.  Shame he was so odd!

All in all, RIP Michael Jackson, The King of Pop and possibly the greatest musical artist of all time (possibly).


Couldnt agree more.

His best album imho was Bad.

I was 17 or 18 when it was released and its all i listened to for months!  

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I just heard some breaking news as to how he died.

It's unconfirmed, but they say he's said to have choked on some 12 year old nuts...


The Coroner is blaming it on the boogie

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was never a fan of his later music, I liked Off the Wall, liked parts of Thriller, none of Bad or anything else. The Jackson 5 stuff was amazing though, that voice he had as a kid was astonishing. I think you can separate the man from his music, and I do think we've lost an icon on a par with Elvis and Lennon. I agree you can't compare him to Sinatra, too different, besides Jackson was a performer more than Sinatra, danced, sang and wrote a fair bit of music too; Sinatra didn't, but he had a major say in a lot of the arrangements and I personally think his version of Mack the Knife (recorded, I think in his 60's or maybe even his 70's) was brilliant, fantastic arrangement which in my opinion surpasses Bobby Darin and anyone elses.

Think we've lost a genuine superstar, can't think of anyone really alive that I could say that about.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Think we've lost a genuine superstar, can't think of anyone really alive that I could say that about.


oh dear.... how about Paul McCartney, David Bowie, ?

Agree that to some extent it's generational but I wasnt around for Sinatra's great years and was 10 when the beatles split up but I can listen to and admire their music and understand their ifluence.

MT... if you haven't been able to 2get" WElvis the trick is to listen to the stuff that was in the charts before heartbreak hotel and comapre; also listen to Mystery Train and his other really early Sun records; he was destroyed by terrible management for years and years (5 movies a year? blue hawaii? do me a favour) but came back at the later end of his life with wonderful records like American Trilogy, Suspicious Minds and so on

As I have said already you have to seperate the man from the music to class Jacko as a great.

I listened to Paul Gamabaccini too.... to describe Jacko as the first global superstar really is over the top knee jerk hyperbole. What did he think the beatles were? How about the Stones?

I remember getting a slating on here over saying I could "almost" forgive Garry glitter his actions because he made such fun music. there are many on here doing the same regarding Jacko without admitting it. And the only reason he had no convictions was because he paid tens of millions of dollars to families and children who made complaints to buy their silence.

so own up you guys. Are you forgiving jacksons conduct because of his music?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, the difference is that Glitter is a (twice) convicted paedophile. Jackson was acquitted of one set of charges and settled out of courts on a civil suit. I always found the out of court settlement odd- if you really believed your child had been abused in such a terrible manner, surely you'd want to pursue it to the full letter of the law to ensure it didn't happen to anyone else?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well, the difference is that Glitter is a (twice) convicted paedophile. Jackson was acquitted of one set of charges and settled out of courts on a civil suit. I always found the out of court settlement odd- if you really believed your child had been abused in such a terrible manner, surely you'd want to pursue it to the full letter of the law to ensure it didn't happen to anyone else?


so he is wholly innocent then?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Tagalie wrote:
Well, the difference is that Glitter is a (twice) convicted paedophile. Jackson was acquitted of one set of charges and settled out of courts on a civil suit. I always found the out of court settlement odd- if you really believed your child had been abused in such a terrible manner, surely you'd want to pursue it to the full letter of the law to ensure it didn't happen to anyone else?


so he is wholly innocent then?


Nice to see Geordie still being his quiet self

Are you telling me that everyone who has been accused of something is always a little bit guilty?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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geordie_racer wrote:
Tagalie wrote:
Well, the difference is that Glitter is a (twice) convicted paedophile. Jackson was acquitted of one set of charges and settled out of courts on a civil suit. I always found the out of court settlement odd- if you really believed your child had been abused in such a terrible manner, surely you'd want to pursue it to the full letter of the law to ensure it didn't happen to anyone else?


so he is wholly innocent then?


Nice to see Geordie still being his quiet self

Are you telling me that everyone who has been accused of something is always a little bit guilty?


no I am saying that no-one who is innocent pays off the complainants.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JACKO HAS TAKEN A FINAL DIVE
STARTED OUT WITH THE JACKSON FIVE
WITH HITS LIKE BILLIE JEAN AND THRILLER
UNTIL PRESCRIBED DRUGS BECAME HIS KILLER
HE WAS A VICTIM OF HIS OWN NAME
AND THE PAPPARAZI WHO FOLLOWED HIS FAME
MAY HE REST IN PEACE AND SLEEP FOR LONG
HE REGAILED US ALL IN DANCE AND SONG
AND WHEN WE RECALL AND CARE TO REMEMBER
WE ALWAYS SEE ROSES IN DECEMBER
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

geordie_racer wrote:
shamardal84 wrote:
geordie_racer wrote:
Tagalie wrote:
Well, the difference is that Glitter is a (twice) convicted paedophile. Jackson was acquitted of one set of charges and settled out of courts on a civil suit. I always found the out of court settlement odd- if you really believed your child had been abused in such a terrible manner, surely you'd want to pursue it to the full letter of the law to ensure it didn't happen to anyone else?


so he is wholly innocent then?


Nice to see Geordie still being his quiet self

Are you telling me that everyone who has been accused of something is always a little bit guilty?


no I am saying that no-one who is innocent pays off the complainants.


you might do if you had hundreds of millions (as he formerly did) and didn't want to spend another 5 months in court having your name dragged through the mud by a questionable family with a litigious past.

i'm no jacko defender, i find him to be a very unusual creature, but we have to let the courts do their job geordie - or you'd be out of one!

it's obviously another quiet day in the markets - the number of jacko jokes coming through on bloomberg/by email is getting ridiculous...
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For what its worth (probably very little) I just wanted to post my thoughts on Michael Jackson. In my opinion he is the greatest of them all. He was the one who brought so much to the game. He was quite simply impossibly brilliant. He had such a great voice, and also so unique. Even from a child you knew he was going to be big. Very few people make it when they go solo after being with such a succesful group. He also took the music video up about 10 levels. He was probably the first black artist to become mainstream on mtv when mtv was music. And although I have never seen him live, I think its well known he was one of the greatest showman of all time. And although people say that he was very childlike he was actually a very smart man. He had a tough childhood and was clearly trouble. But in terms of music there probably hasn't been anyone better only on par with the King of Pop.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Tagalie wrote:
Well, the difference is that Glitter is a (twice) convicted paedophile. Jackson was acquitted of one set of charges and settled out of courts on a civil suit. I always found the out of court settlement odd- if you really believed your child had been abused in such a terrible manner, surely you'd want to pursue it to the full letter of the law to ensure it didn't happen to anyone else?


so he is wholly innocent then?


I've absolutely no idea as I haven't seen any of the evidence.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

geordie_racer wrote:
if you want to seperate the music and the man he is nowhere near sinatra, elvis, the beatles in terms of pop and

he was nowhere near even the biggest motown influence (smokey robinson, holland/dozier/holland, 4 tops, marvin gaye and of course the supremes/diana ross)

yes, ona a par with kurt cobain. over-rated and dead.

best dancer of the lot mind.


Thriller - Biggest selling album ever!

Over-rated????



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