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on a similiar point would you rather support a club that spends 10 years in the premiership finishing between 17th and 8th every year or team that in the same period starts in the premiership is relagated then wins the playoffs is relagated again and wins the champioship to be promoted again in the same period.
The first gives the pleasure of consistent top flight football but the has much bigger highs and lows.
As an everton fan we haven't won anything sine 1995 whilst we have had receent cupp final and european football we haven't won anything whereas for teams like WBA have won the champioship and the joy that comes with that.i wouldn't want to be relegated but i would like to win something.!!!! I do wonder whether excluding champions league teams from the carling cup would make it more interesting and give a better target for the second tier premiership teams _________________ There are two certainties in life Death and Taxes they no longer tax betting so there may be a god
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on a similar point would you rather support a club that spends 10 years in the premiership finishing between 17th and 8th every year or team that in the same period starts in the premiership is relegated then wins the playoffs is relegated again and wins the championship to be promoted again in the same period.
The first gives the pleasure of consistent top flight football but the has much bigger highs and lows.
As an Everton fan we haven't won anything sine 1995 whilst we have had recent cup final and european football we haven't won anything whereas for teams like WBA have won the championship and the joy that comes with that.i wouldn't want to be relegated but i would like to win something.!!!! I do wonder whether excluding champions league teams from the carling cup would make it more interesting and give a better target for the second tier premiership teams
That surely is a defeatist attitude, most Everton supporters, I think, want to beat the "best" in the premiership, not an abridged version of it, and are capable of doing it. Aspiration is far better than dilution. The Premier League is one tier, the best teams that have attained that status by trying. _________________ WE ARE NOT STRANGERS, JUST FRIENDS WHO HAVE NEVER MET.
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on a similiar point would you rather support a club that spends 10 years in the premiership finishing between 17th and 8th every year or team that in the same period starts in the premiership is relagated then wins the playoffs is relagated again and wins the champioship to be promoted again in the same period.
The first gives the pleasure of consistent top flight football but the has much bigger highs and lows.
As a supporter of two teams I have experienced both.
Constant Premier League mediocrity as a Spurs fans and the ups and downs (from Southern League, to Conference, to League 2, League 1, League 2, League 1 (for 3 years) and now back to League 2) as a Cheltenham Town fan.
as I am currrently xperiencing the "pleasure" of an attempt to get out of whatevertheycalltheseconddivisionthesedays I can say that I prefer steady top flight exitence with the odd season in the top 4 a/6 and a trip to wembley every so often.
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Surely any Trophy is important to all the clubs who have the chance to win them, the problem is the financial gains of CL football dictate that the top 4 to 6 clubs and some even lower down have had to rotate.
I think i remember a manager in bottom half of the PL saying he had to switch his team as getting 3 points on a Saturday was far more important than getting to the 4th Round of the League cup. Obviously down to the riches that the league can bring and the fact that this is what would probably keep him in his job in the end!
I think some fans should start viewing things the same and not be so demanding. I support Liverpool and it breaks my heart everytime we go out of any cup or lose any game for that matter. So as a fan it is important to be seen competing at all levels, likewise i do also enjoy seeing the reserves and subs getting a bit of time to shine.
I think the game this evening will be quite a tight affair and i twould not surprise me if Leeds were to do a number on us. The first 20 mins will be crucial along with set pieces (not Benitez' forte!). I hope we can get out a team that will win the tie. An optimistic 2-1 for the Reds from me
I can understand manu,chelsea,liverpool and arsenal playing fringe players in the carlin cup; if you look at how many games they will play in a season it makes sense to blood young players and keep their fringe players involved in this least imprtant of the 4 competitions hey are in
but for no-one else does this apply; playing twice a week (bearing in mind all the sports science going into diets,recovery regimes, etc etc) shouldnt be beyond players, and i suspect most of hem would rather play mid-week than train
finally playing weakened teams cheats the fas who go to watch. _________________ Geordie_R
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on a similiar point would you rather support a club that spends 10 years in the premiership finishing between 17th and 8th every year or team that in the same period starts in the premiership is relagated then wins the playoffs is relagated again and wins the champioship to be promoted again in the same period.
The first gives the pleasure of consistent top flight football but the has much bigger highs and lows.
As an everton fan we haven't won anything sine 1995 whilst we have had receent cupp final and european football we haven't won anything whereas for teams like WBA have won the champioship and the joy that comes with that.i wouldn't want to be relegated but i would like to win something.!!!! I do wonder whether excluding champions league teams from the carling cup would make it more interesting and give a better target for the second tier premiership teams
Very good question - it's one I've pondered, and discussed with other fans as we (WBA) have yo-yo'd over the last few seasons. Not sure I actually have an answer for you either!
It's a tricky one, I think it depends on which week you ask as to what I'd say - I'd rather we were playing in the PL but we've done well in the Championship for the past few attempts and as a season ticket holder it's been good to see the number of goals and wins, as opposed to the odd result here and there and plenty of drubbings in the Prem.
I do wonder what fans of the likes of Bolton and Blackburn think, who will generally be safe but not challenge for Europe - esp when the football isn't so easy on the eye - would they swap safety for a bit of excitement? Saying that relegation is an awful feeling. I do think I value the style of football, win or lose you've nearly always had a decent game to watch at the Hawthorns over the last few years.
Getting relegated is a failure. The inability to sustain a position in the hierarchy for whatever reason and comes inevitably at the end of a miserable season when few games have been won with little opportunity for celebration.
If you are happy to except that but then have the expectation to immediately have success and return to where you have just fallen from then fair enough but it's a dangerous game to be playing IMO and personally I'd rather settle for sustaining a position in the highest league possible.
on a similiar point would you rather support a club that spends 10 years in the premiership finishing between 17th and 8th every year or team that in the same period starts in the premiership is relagated then wins the playoffs is relagated again and wins the champioship to be promoted again in the same period.
The first gives the pleasure of consistent top flight football but the has much bigger highs and lows.
As an everton fan we haven't won anything sine 1995 whilst we have had receent cupp final and european football we haven't won anything whereas for teams like WBA have won the champioship and the joy that comes with that.i wouldn't want to be relegated but i would like to win something.!!!! I do wonder whether excluding champions league teams from the carling cup would make it more interesting and give a better target for the second tier premiership teams
Very good question - it's one I've pondered, and discussed with other fans as we (WBA) have yo-yo'd over the last few seasons. Not sure I actually have an answer for you either!
It's a tricky one, I think it depends on which week you ask as to what I'd say - I'd rather we were playing in the PL but we've done well in the Championship for the past few attempts and as a season ticket holder it's been good to see the number of goals and wins, as opposed to the odd result here and there and plenty of drubbings in the Prem.
I do wonder what fans of the likes of Bolton and Blackburn think, who will generally be safe but not challenge for Europe - esp when the football isn't so easy on the eye - would they swap safety for a bit of excitement? Saying that relegation is an awful feeling. I do think I value the style of football, win or lose you've nearly always had a decent game to watch at the Hawthorns over the last few years.
I suppose you have to ask yourself the question what has been the high point of the last ten years. For everton probably the FA Cup semi final Win over Utd to make it to wembley. For WBA winning the Championship. But then also as you say you can spend a season in the championship with the pleasure of winning 2/3 of your games or a season in the premiership winning say 10. There is the low pint of relagation but then we had the low of losing the FA cup final. I would still rather support my club for what it is than change allegance but I am tempted to adopt a second club lower down the leagues to maybe have the pleasure of winning something. I grew up in Southport and often went to see them including an FA trophy semi final win. I now live in Altrincham (I can see their ground from my house) and may adopt them. I certainly plan to take my son there when he is old enough to want to go. _________________ There are two certainties in life Death and Taxes they no longer tax betting so there may be a god
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Anyone who says 'no' will support a top four team.
Anyone who says 'yes' will not.
Sour grapes again from someone whose team is outside the top four. I doubt you are any more passionate about football than myself, or anyone supporting a top four club on here.
As for the Carling Cup, yes I consider a good run essential for Chelsea. It is still a major trophy to me, and has been since the final was a home and a way affair back in the early days. I get miffed when big clubs put out reserve teams, even if I can understand why its done. _________________ If at first you dont succeed..then skydiving isnt for you
I can understand manu,chelsea,liverpool and arsenal playing fringe players in the carlin cup; if you look at how many games they will play in a season it makes sense to blood young players and keep their fringe players involved in this least imprtant of the 4 competitions hey are in
but for no-one else does this apply; playing twice a week (bearing in mind all the sports science going into diets,recovery regimes, etc etc) shouldnt be beyond players, and i suspect most of hem would rather play mid-week than train
finally playing weakened teams cheats the fas who go to watch.
You must have been a bit miffed with Newcastle's team selection last night then.
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I can understand manu,chelsea,liverpool and arsenal playing fringe players in the carlin cup; if you look at how many games they will play in a season it makes sense to blood young players and keep their fringe players involved in this least imprtant of the 4 competitions hey are in
but for no-one else does this apply; playing twice a week (bearing in mind all the sports science going into diets,recovery regimes, etc etc) shouldnt be beyond players, and i suspect most of hem would rather play mid-week than train
finally playing weakened teams cheats the fas who go to watch.
You must have been a bit miffed with Newcastle's team selection last night then.
MT jnr
yes I was, and the result shows the muddled thinking of our football club
winning is a habit; how good for morale at NUFC would a run to the semis or the final of this competition be?
blunderland put out a strong side and won; they will be crowing if they get a good ru in this competition _________________ Geordie_R
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Anyone who says 'no' will support a top four team.
Anyone who says 'yes' will not.
Sour grapes again from someone whose team is outside the top four. I doubt you are any more passionate about football than myself, or anyone supporting a top four club on here.
I dare say in the list of passionate football fans on here, I would be low down the list as to be honest, I don't give two hoots compared to how I used to be. Everton, to me, doesn't mean even half of what it used to ten years ago.
While disregarding the fact that what I wrote was obviously not going to apply to every single person on the planet, what I said has absolutely nothing to do with sour grapes apart from the fact that the game I got into as a kid is no longer the same. (I note that you disregarded that bit, and focussed on the top 4 bit)
Bitter about football nowadays? Yes, I suppose so.
Bitter about Everton? Nah.
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