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Darren, my view is the majority of fans are still passionate about football, and the top four are no different. Football has changed over the years, just as it changed between my generation and my fathers. The players in sixties were certainly viewed as the chavs of today.
I focussed on the top for bit, as that was the mainstay of your post. Both your first and last lines were dismissive of fans of the top four. _________________ If at first you dont succeed..then skydiving isnt for you
I think there is a bit of inverse snobbery towards the top 4, and man city may also get it soon if it has not started already.
Because the attitude at (say) Arsenal seems to others to be that finishing 4th in a competition is "beter" than winning another one. Sky (of course) are all for the top 4 and they pander to this; the cups are a sde line as far as they are concerned. the FA to their eternal shame have allowed the FA Cup, the greatest of all competitions in my view, to go downhill
a lot of this is predicated on the (utterly false, im my view) belief that players cannot cope with 2 games a week and that "squad rotation" is therefore important. Show me a footballer who would rather not play, and who would prefer to train? There may be some money-based oafs who would choose it, but I bet Roonay would rather play every game than sit and watch.
the remedy is oto make winning the thing.
i know it wont happen but the champions of each country in uefa should play in a knock out 2 leg until the final competiton, every game played ona wednesday. it is only in the knock out stages that the so-called "champions" (they arent) "League" (it isnt) gets interesting. but for the arsenals and liverpools, the TV money from those dull group games is far more valuable than an appearance int he carling cup final. _________________ Geordie_R
"A should of known there mum was buying banana's"
i used to be a lot more passionate about football, but after the last few years of blind refs i think i have probably changed,being born in north london we hated arsenal ,but i only knew about half a dozen arsenal fans untill they won the double,then they came out of the woodwork,these days if i watch match of the day and arsenal play well i enjoy watching them ,providing its not against spurs ,but as far as the carling cup they more things that your team competes in the more chance you have of seeing them play ,so i think its good
I'm just about to set off from my hotel to stroll down to Villa Park to watch a game that I would love to win for the obvious boost to morale it would bring. However being a realist.............
We're not playing well at the moment, injuries mean we have very little options in certain positions on the field and this is frankly one game I don't think we need right now (still think our season was de-railed by the never ending saga of trying to play the 4th round replay in last year's FA Cup against Arsenal. And after all the postponements we lost 4-0! Ultimately we didn't capitulate until the last 4 games of the season but that period around that replay killed the momentum we'd built up.)
So tonight, if we lose we lose. Wednesday on Saturday is the much bigger game. _________________ 2008 Ryder Cup Competition - WINNER
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i used to be a lot more passionate about football, but after the last few years of blind refs i think i have probably changed,being born in north london we hated arsenal ,but i only knew about half a dozen arsenal fans untill they won the double,then they came out of the woodwork,these days if i watch match of the day and arsenal play well i enjoy watching them ,providing its not against spurs ,but as far as the carling cup they more things that your team competes in the more chance you have of seeing them play ,so i think its good
I'll never forget in my first year at uni, I made friends with a lad who was your standard posh public schoolboy. We went to the pub with a few others to watch Arsenal vs Newcastle. He had told me before the game that he was an Arsenal fan. Then 5 mins into the game he turns to me and, no joke, says "Just to make sure, are Arsenal the team in the red?"
i used to be a lot more passionate about football, but after the last few years of blind refs i think i have probably changed,being born in north london we hated arsenal ,but i only knew about half a dozen arsenal fans untill they won the double,then they came out of the woodwork,these days if i watch match of the day and arsenal play well i enjoy watching them ,providing its not against spurs ,but as far as the carling cup they more things that your team competes in the more chance you have of seeing them play ,so i think its good
I'll never forget in my first year at uni, I made friends with a lad who was your standard posh public schoolboy. We went to the pub with a few others to watch Arsenal vs Newcastle. He had told me before the game that he was an Arsenal fan. Then 5 mins into the game he turns to me and, no joke, says "Just to make sure, are Arsenal the team in the red?"
Reminds me of that sketch in The Fast Show where John Thompson plays that Arsenal fan who watches the game with a picnic basket on his knee and hasnt a clue about football.
FAN If Bergkamp keeps this form up, Holland have gotta be worth an each way bet.
[pause]
JT I'm sorry, but, er, Bergkamp plays for Arsenal, not for Holland.
[slight pause as FAN looks incredulous]
FAN He plays for both, you ,.
JT Don't- ha-ha-ha-ha! Don't be daft! No- now, what if the Gunners got into Europe, and had to play Holland? What would he do, then? What side would he play for, then? Uh? A-ha! Sussed!
[JT waggles both his index fingers at FAN who rolls his eyes in disbelief]
MT jnr _________________ THERE ARE 2 RULES TO SUCCESS. RULE 1)DONT TELL EVERYONE WHAT YOU KNOW
I think liverpool will be paying more attention to it after tonight
Liverpool and Chelsea have now both put in a shocker this week. It will make Sundays match interesting for sure. _________________ If at first you dont succeed..then skydiving isnt for you
It's only important if you can fluke it passed the quarters with easy draws and putting out weaker sides, then it becomes very important. If you manage to draw Chelsea or Arsenal then it becomes very very very very very important and a 5 - 1 drubbing will go down in history as a great sporting moment.
But, if you draw a proper team early on and they beat you, then who cares, it's only a two bob trophy. _________________ Is ready to hibernate
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yes.a bit pissed off to lose again to a London club,but it was expected when the draw was made and its turned out that way.
Still never been to New Wembley and just the FA Cup left _________________ I AM HAPPY TO JOIN WITH YOU TODAY IN WHAT WILL GO DOWN IN HISTORY AS THE GREATEST DEMONSTRATION FOR FREEDOM IN THE HISTORY OF OUR NATION(THE I HAVE A DREAM SPEECH,1963, MARTIN LUTHER KING)
They played ok though VS, so not too disheartend overall. I don't think there is any shame in losing to that Arsenal team and i felt Liverpool gave a good account of themselves.
It would have been nice to go a little further but as you said there is always the FA cup for a trip to Wembley!
They say that practice makes perfect, Ryan Babel should practice a lot more or put in for a transfer, the original hype on this player has deteriorated to a less than average player. If he could use both feet we may have got a draw to go to extra time. Babel and Lucas, at least, need to be replaced imo. _________________ WE ARE NOT STRANGERS, JUST FRIENDS WHO HAVE NEVER MET.
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