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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I will vote for anyone, of any party if they guarantee not to bail out the banks ANY MORE!!!!!      RBS havehad their chance!! Let them go to the dogs


Hah, lets go through all this again.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting read on the times webby listing the 10 MP's that abused the expenses system the most, i think at least 7 or 8 of the 10
were Conservatives.  Saying that, number 1 on the list was Labour... found it quite interesting myself thats quite a majority
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I will vote for anyone, of any party if they guarantee not to bail out the banks ANY MORE!!!!!      RBS havehad their chance!! Let them go to the dogs


Even the Tories?  

Is it £33b this time?

At least the MPs will have to lose their expenses and that will save the taxpayer £10m.

But now they want pay rises instead and that will cost £20m.

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i like the fact that if a person is married to an m.p. they are naturally brilliant secretaries, so they have to be payed more than most other secretaries in the land
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i like the fact that if a person is married to an m.p. they are naturally brilliant secretaries, so they have to be payed more than most other secretaries in the land
And sons/daughters naturally make great researchers.
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dogsaver wrote:
i like the fact that if a person is married to an m.p. they are naturally brilliant secretaries, so they have to be payed more than most other secretaries in the land
And sons/daughters naturally make great researchers.



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I will vote for anyone, of any party if they guarantee not to bail out the banks ANY MORE!!!!!      RBS havehad their chance!! Let them go to the dogs


Even the Tories?  



Even the Tories LS  As I am socially, and environmentally liberal I am unlikely to vote Tory but I consider myself a fiscal conservative so if the Tories put the right candidate up in my constituency, I would consider voting for them. Although as the Tories couldn't care less about the environment, they would have to be a very Green tory(if such a thing exists )
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I will vote for anyone, of any party if they guarantee not to bail out the banks ANY MORE!!!!!      RBS havehad their chance!! Let them go to the dogs


The army generals give there opinion..they are wrong ignore them. Let our soldiers die. We have to follow the americans regardless.

The Drugs advisers give there opinion. Ignore them they are wrong. They dont agree with us. Sack them.

The bankers give there demands. Oh masters we bow to you and give you everything as you ask. We expect nothing in return oh masters. Oh financial capatilist masters of the universe we are your servant your slave. Please let us feed a little (quite alot) from the same trough.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lenahan wrote:
Jimbob wrote:
I will vote for anyone, of any party if they guarantee not to bail out the banks ANY MORE!!!!!      RBS havehad their chance!! Let them go to the dogs


The army generals give there opinion..they are wrong ignore them. Let our soldiers die. We have to follow the americans regardless.

The Drugs advisers give there opinion. Ignore them they are wrong. They dont agree with us. Sack them.

The bankers give there demands. Oh masters we bow to you and give you everything as you ask. We expect nothing in return oh masters. Oh financial capatilist masters of the universe we are your servant your slave. Please let us feed a little (quite alot) from the same trough.


Great post Lenahan!! One of the best I've read on this forum for a long time!!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Jimbob wrote:
I will vote for anyone, of any party if they guarantee not to bail out the banks ANY MORE!!!!!      RBS havehad their chance!! Let them go to the dogs


The army generals give there opinion..they are wrong ignore them. Let our soldiers die. We have to follow the americans regardless.

The Drugs advisers give there opinion. Ignore them they are wrong. They dont agree with us. Sack them.

The bankers give there demands. Oh masters we bow to you and give you everything as you ask. We expect nothing in return oh masters. Oh financial capatilist masters of the universe we are your servant your slave. Please let us feed a little (quite alot) from the same trough.


And please let us sit as non-executive directors (earning £100K pa for doing sod all) on the board of your bank after the "not so stupid after all " electorate kick us out of office.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would someone kindly put on here what the bankers 'demanded'?

Just seeing if there is a difference between 'asking for' and 'being offered', because all banks were offered help. There weren't demands.

Criticise the government, by all means, but get the reasoning right.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that woman summed It up pretty well on Question Time last night in her answer to If MP's are not paid well will we not end up with poorer candidates.
She said "If that was the case and you got monkeys for paying peanuts why did it not work the other way round In that you would get geniuses for paying large amounts and bonuses"
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MPs pay is a difficult topic. They are in my opinion underpaid and therefore we often get lesser candidates.

There are three types of MP in my opinion those who always wanted to be in politics regardless of money. These are mostly conservatives from monied families where income isn't important.

Those who fall into it because of their ideals these are often labour and liberals and in the past were often trade unionists. They often come from less affluent backgrounds and therefore the pay is good by there expectations.

Finally there are those who go into politics because they failed at something else very often the law. These MPs come from all backgrounds and are the ones I have most issues with as they are most likely to line their pockets when leaving pariament.

I appreciate this is a massive generalisation but it is my perception.

Take our former leader Mr Blair started our as a barrister. Talk to anyone who ever instructed him and they will tell you that unlike his wife he was medicore at best. The bar wasn't for hima nd therefore he went into politics and is now linning his pockets.

Why would a good lawyer go into politics when they can make 250000 ayear in the city and many make a million plus. We therefore get politicians who don't aspire to this because they aren't good enough. Pay them more and we might attract the better lawyers instead.

This is not political as I think Neil Hamilton was also a failed lawyer so failed lawyers will happily take either side to line their pockets.

I say this as a lawyer myself and my view comes from comments within the profession about many lawyers who are now MPs..
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Darren"]Would someone kindly put on here what the bankers 'demanded'?

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Come on Darrenm. Argue in favour of the bailout if you like but don't let's pretend the bankers didn't demand anything! The government didn't just hand out billions of poiunds to be spent on bonuses without havingh pressure put on them did they. I am, and always have been 100% against the banking bailout and any other bailout for that matter. Banks are private companies and if they are irresponsible then they should pay the ultimate price. Instead, what happened was these merchant bankers, city boys, free marketeers who were all too happy to rake in profit when the going was good giving no thought to the consequences of their actions have now become raging lefties and are suddenly in favour of state intervention. That's called having your cake and eating it I'm afraid! It's wrong, it's immoral and they should pay!!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why would a good lawyer go into politics when they can make 250000 ayear in the city and many make a million plus. We therefore get politicians who don't aspire to this because they aren't good enough. Pay them more and we might attract the better lawyers instead.
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This is one of the funniest things i have read on this board in ages.

Ask yourself this why would a good teacher or a proffesor who could probably do a Lawyers Job In there sleep work for £40K a year if they could earn as you say £200,000+.

Some MP's may well be failed Lawyers but I bet a few left for Job satisfaction rather than Just a huge salary.

No one could ever persuade me that proffesional people like Accountants, Solicitors, Lawyers & Barristers are worth what they get paid in relative terms to other proffesions salaries It is one of the scandals of the modern age and If these type of salaries were what they actually should be then MP's salaries would not look so bad.



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