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I agree YY but i think most of them know that its nigh on impossible to win those 3 unless you have an absolute superstar, which they all know they dont have. I think a worm will emerge from the woodwork and win this years CH just like last year. If not then its sublimitys to lose again once he arrives there on they day he will beat the current crop easily.
Take it you'll be laying Katchit on saturday?
DD
Probably as he will be some ridiculously short price, I think Pigeon Island showed how poor the 4YO really are on Saturday because both times he has raced older horses he has been beat easy yet he comes back against the 4YO saturday and wins and most of the horses he beat saturday have form links with Katchit
so you didnt ly it ...a fter saying you "probably2 would,,,,
I thought you were a money where your mouth is man/
Owl it ws who was laying him fora place, I don't know if anyone else said they would, but you certainly gave the impression you were laying him _________________ Geordie_R
"A should of known there mum was buying banana's"
I agree YY but i think most of them know that its nigh on impossible to win those 3 unless you have an absolute superstar, which they all know they dont have. I think a worm will emerge from the woodwork and win this years CH just like last year. If not then its sublimitys to lose again once he arrives there on they day he will beat the current crop easily.
Take it you'll be laying Katchit on saturday?
DD
Probably as he will be some ridiculously short price, I think Pigeon Island showed how poor the 4YO really are on Saturday because both times he has raced older horses he has been beat easy yet he comes back against the 4YO saturday and wins and most of the horses he beat saturday have form links with Katchit
so you didnt ly it ...a fter saying you "probably2 would,,,,
I thought you were a money where your mouth is man/
Owl it ws who was laying him fora place, I don't know if anyone else said they would, but you certainly gave the impression you were laying him
Got nothing to do with money where mouth is i was busy yesterday and if i had done it as a bet i would have put it up on my daily bets thread and it would have been easier for me to say yes i did Lay it and won £500 but as i didn't i have said so _________________ Forest are Treemendous
10/1 about the Champion? Well I am not backing him yet for this but if you put a gun to my head I would sooner back him than Harchibald even with the differential. (I would probably prefer Afsoun to both though). Harchibald has had his injury problems and has not always shown up well at Cheltenham. Would he have gone past Katchit yesterday if Katchit had hurdled the last fleunty? They way he finisihed you would have to think he would but equally those of us who lost a fortune on that Champion will have our doubts.
I notice people still going on about 4 and 5 years olds. I accept the point on the basis of maturity and growth. I would ask one thing though - if people want to say things like no 4 year old has won the fighting fifth in 20+ years please put it into context. How many 4 year old's have contested it in that time and more to the point - how many of those were the highest rated of their cohort. I don't think people are trying on here to be disengenuous but it reads like spin!
In terms of improvement - we can certainly wonder about the scope of Katchit - he has little frame to fill out. I don't though think that was his best run yesterday - it wasn't far off but I would say he has a little more capability already. As has been said the hill at Cheltenham seems to play to his battling spirit. He may also improve for a better run race - not saying yesterday's was false but he only had The french furze to tow from and had to make himself a target earlier than he perhaps might in a bigger and better field. _________________ One way to stop a runaway horse is to bet on him.
All I've seen is some attempt to make rational interpretation of the form and the trends and therefore to judge what the real chances of various runners are for the Champion Hurdle.
As far as I'm concerned at least, there is absolutely nothing personal in my analysis of Katchit's chances and if you can find a statement by myself on this thread which could be interpreted as such then please post them. I have no personal attachment to any of my statements whereas some of the opinions expressed smack of emotional attachment. _________________ RJI
All I've seen is some attempt to make rational interpretation of the form and the trends and therefore to judge what the real chances of various runners are for the Champion Hurdle.
As far as I'm concerned at least, there is absolutely nothing personal in my analysis of Katchit's chances and if you can find a statement by myself on this thread which could be interpreted as such then please post them. I have no personal attachment to any of my statements whereas some of the opinions expressed smack of emotional attachment.
Exactly RJI _________________ Forest are Treemendous
All I've seen is some attempt to make rational interpretation of the form and the trends and therefore to judge what the real chances of various runners are for the Champion Hurdle.
As far as I'm concerned at least, there is absolutely nothing personal in my analysis of Katchit's chances and if you can find a statement by myself on this thread which could be interpreted as such then please post them. I have no personal attachment to any of my statements whereas some of the opinions expressed smack of emotional attachment.
Exactly RJI
Not even saying he would only finish 4th if there were only 4 runners? Or even calling him Katchemup? Maybe not bashing but perhaps not rational interpretation either _________________ One way to stop a runaway horse is to bet on him.
As for the race i will be surprised if Katchit makes the first 3 if there are more than 3 runners that is - ?? What a joke that was
Its a pretty poor turnout and some of these trainers need to get there act together for there owners – So is Harchibalds price of 8/1 now a joke after the poor turnout in the FF.
Who do you think will win the CH at the moment?
At the moment Ebaziyan – This has to be the funniest thing I have seen written by you.
Surely Clopf will be a better bet @ 7/4 TBP than Katchthemup to win @ 7/4 mmmm... not quite
Katchit was 3rd so only just made a place so hardly a classic 1/3 bet.
As for Ebaziyan you know nothing about W Mullins if you think he is actually running up to his full potential at the moment the only time this horse will be spot on this year is in March(if he gets there) horses do not win Supreme Hurdles as flukes they must have an awful lot of potential and this horse is probably one of the best bred hurdlers that races _________________ Forest are Treemendous
it depends how you look at it. You may regard some of the statements made as 'bashing' or whatever. The fact that someone makes a prediction about what will happen in a race that you don't agree with doesn't make it an insult and as for 'Katchemup' well tht's just banter and if you take that personally then you are overly emotionally involved.
and I certainly haven't insulted him whatsoever. I just think he is an extremely unlikely winner of the CH and thought he was way too short in the Fighting Fifth.
You can tell me I was wrong if he does win in March but I won't be taking it personally. _________________ RJI
How can you have a pop at Katchit winning the Champion Hurdle when you put up a complete no hoper to win it.
Thats only your opinion, Ebaziyan ran a very good race today over a trip that was obviously to far and one has won a Triumph and the other a Supreme
and Ebaziyan is roughly the same price TBP as Katchit is to win _________________ Forest are Treemendous
Katchit was 3rd so only just made a place so hardly a classic 1/3 bet.
As for Ebaziyan you know nothing about W Mullins if you think he is actually running up to his full potential at the moment the only time this horse will be spot on this year is in March(if he gets there) horses do not win Supreme Hurdles as flukes they must have an awful lot of potential and this horse is probably one of the best bred hurdlers that races
well if you take the alst 7 winners of the supreme they have been
Ebaziyan
noland
Arcalis
Brave inca
Back In front
like a Buutterfly
Sausalito Bay
i think sausalito bay shows you can win the supreme by a fluke;
only 1 of those 7 has won the champion, and that was Brave inca, who won it 2 years after his supreme novices win, the year before he had been behind hardy and harchi
so no winner of the supreme this century has won the following year's supreme, and only 1 has won or been placed in it
tell me who was the last horse to win the supreme novices and then the champion hurdle in the following year?
and then tell me what for ebazyian has to be remotely in that class? _________________ Geordie_R
"A should of known there mum was buying banana's"
Katchit was 3rd so only just made a place so hardly a classic 1/3 bet.
As for Ebaziyan you know nothing about W Mullins if you think he is actually running up to his full potential at the moment the only time this horse will be spot on this year is in March(if he gets there) horses do not win Supreme Hurdles as flukes they must have an awful lot of potential and this horse is probably one of the best bred hurdlers that races
well if you take the alst 7 winners of the supreme they have been
Ebaziyan
noland
Arcalis
Brave inca
Back In front
like a Buutterfly
Sausalito Bay
i think sausalito bay shows you can win the supreme by a fluke;
only 1 of those 7 has won the champion, and that was Brave inca, who won it 2 years after his supreme novices win, the year before he had been behind hardy and harchi
so no winner of the supreme this century has won the following year's supreme, and only 1 has won or been placed in it
tell me who was the last horse to win the supreme novices and then the champion hurdle in the following year?
and then tell me what for ebazyian has to be remotely in that class?
Agree the supreme has not been the greatest pointer but Sublimity was 4th the year before and the Ballymore has probably been a better guide but as most of those from last year are going chasing the Supreme looks to have the edge, anyway the Triumph winners have no form of winning the Champion what so ever so the winner of one is 9/1 TBP against the winner of the other 8/1 to win does not take a genious to work out at the moment what the better betting option is
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