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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 10:32 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

lol

So Lewis blows everyone away by half a second in 2nd practice.

Didn't see that coming, did we....


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow
.... just as predicted loads of overtaking and a race not at all decided by pit stops


The crowds and tv audiences will be flooding back




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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phase one matey.

They will get rid of the front wing and air flow so cars can race closer in disturbed air just like in America.

Don't you read the news. The American's and Ross Brawn are in charge now.

What sucks is a German driving an Italian car is leading the WDC.

Last time that happened we were in for 5 years of processions with the odd cheat thrown in.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Early reflections...

Cars/driving spectacle....
In qualifying trim the cars are sensational to watch; the on-board camera footage has moved from sedate to thrilling (at least to the eyes of one who enjoys driving competitively). A Quali lap of Spa or Silverstone will be something to see.
In the race it was not so spectacular; whilst the times are 2-3s quicker than in 2016 the cornering was clearly hit by the fuel

Overtaking
I was surprised how close some cars could follow early on which is a little encouraging. Albert park is tough to overtake on but one has to say this looked worse than usual; Perez managed a couple of good moves but Hamilton could get close to passing a red bull on old tyres. The regs are largely fixed for the season so I doubt this will change much.

The Race
Very dull after lap 25, not much happened or could happen. Hamilton lost the race early on by failing to use his head. There was no need to drop Vettel out to ~2 seconds and using his tyres up; this left Seb with an easy job of waiting for clear air and nailing fast laps afterwards hoping that Vestappen wouldn't pit early (he was never going to) and put the Merc strategists in an impossible position. The art of diving a close race from the front was perfected by Seb in the early RB years when he was in a less dominant position; get in front, drive fast & smooth with an eye on tyres and watch the guys behind ruin theirs.

Neither driver was pushing hard in the second half of the race. Hamilton already knew that getting past Vettel was impossible even if he could catch him. % call is he couldn't anyway. Whilst the tyres are more reliable the teams will be marginal on engines.

The season
Far too early to tell but the Ferrari looked very good in race trim and has at leas as good aero as the Mercedes. It's troubling that Kimi was so easily dropped by Bottas but their car has lots of potential for improvement and is a significant departure from the Merc. I think the development race is in their favour given this start point but they no longer have James Allison (reputedly set the foundations) drive this.

I'm looking forward to seeing how Bottas goes; a solid enough start and no shame in his weekend. Mercedes need him in the mix just as Ferrari need Kimi to be much better than he was this weekend.

As for lower down - Perez again was very solid and Grosjean is certainly one to watch; excellent in Quali and now a mature race driver. Not likely to win a race but could score a podium if things get tasty at the front.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

YES!!

2 great drivers and 2 great cars

Multiple champions dueling it out

and Red Bull in the mix

We are in for a classic season my friends

I can't wait for the track that suits both cars equally...because that's the only difference

Over to you PT
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lochsong wrote:
YES!!

2 great drivers and 2 great cars

Multiple champions dueling it out

and Red Bull in the mix

We are in for a classic season my friends

I can't wait for the track that suits both cars equally...because that's the only difference

Over to you PT
I do feel races will be won on the pitwall and not on track. Overtaking looks limited. When you have identical cars and one has drs and still can't overtake races will become processional.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You and me both DNT

I can watch Scalextric for that
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Death n Taxes wrote:
lochsong wrote:
YES!!

2 great drivers and 2 great cars

Multiple champions dueling it out

and Red Bull in the mix

We are in for a classic season my friends

I can't wait for the track that suits both cars equally...because that's the only difference

Over to you PT
I do feel races will be won on the pitwall and not on track. Overtaking looks limited. When you have identical cars and one has drs and still can't overtake races will become processional.


Ive seen enough already this season to think its going to be abit of a borefest. You are relying on wet and changeable conditions for anything other than either hamilton or vettel leading the other around with the possibility of a pit stop to switch them in places. The first 10 laps in the changeable conditions with the safety cars was the interesting part of todays race and then it was follow the leader. It looks to me like you are going to see alot of procesional races with either ferrari or merc leading the way. Like F1 in most years you have one or 2 outstanding teams and they leave the rest to follow in the distance which is a detriment to the sport and spectacle imo. The best years are always the years when you have 3-4 teams at the top within spitting distance of each other which happens rarely. 2007 was great for that when kimi won and some of the years in the late80s to mid 90s were good seasons when you had ferrari,mclaren,williams and benneton all closely matched at times.

On another note...C4 highlights today were CRAP...all these cars bar seinz started on inters did they not ? Well in the first 15 laps of the highlights i watched Vettel get onto the slicks, i watched a whole host of cars with him go onto slicks, i watched ricardo go onto slicks but where the hell was the clips of hamilton, bottos, raikenen or verstapped getting onto slicks ? From a viewers point of view i was watching the highlights thinking hamilton and a select few others were sitting on inters whilst the safety cars had done slick runners a favour...i was sitting and sitting wating thinking lewis and some others up top were going to have to go onto slicks and shove them right down the field....it wasnt until about lap 20 that i thought hang on a minute here they are on slicks too and the pit stops havnt been shown ! I rewind my sky plus and watched it through again and sure enough the highlights or commentraty didnt show or reference some of the leading stops from inters to slicks. That was awefull from C4 and i cant say im a fan of there coverage tbh as steve jones the anchor is poor imo.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welllll......

The first 10 laps of the race were indeed dominated by the rain, a virtual & actual safety car. The net effect of that was to place Vettel down the order because he alone of the front runners stopped under VSC to take a 6-8s benefit (the cars take that much longer under VSC to traverse the pits).

I think Hamilton stopped immediately after the Sauber crash but the coverage missed it so that he was already on softs when the cars came through the pits (and those behind still on inters switched). It' a bit poor that the dudes in the comm box missed that as they are there, on the pit straight.

In any case, I think it is pretty harsh to describe the race as without incident after the track dried up. The RBs and Vettel created some pretty good wheel to wheel action and it generally bodes well (see big picture below). There are semantics about whether Seb should have pitted - I thought it was a bad move but in the end it cost him nothing and built his reputation further. As a race - pretty interesting, sure the winner was untroubled but, you know, he won the quali battle with an amazing lap so deserved to have things go his way this time.

People are not going to enjoy F1 if they don't like Max - my goodness he is good; watch his first lap again. Crikey. Apparently his car set up was also compromised which didn't help later when he out-braked himself supposedly trying to fix the balance on worn tyres. Last to 3rd in a car 1s slower than the Ferrari and Mercedes. He was SO much better than Bottas/Kimi it's frightening. If they can tweak back the aero in the car they will be in the mix on less power-led circuits though I can't see them matching the front two in quali for a while. All the same, 3rd/4th is an amazing result for them and Valteri/Kimi really let the Finnish side down.

Big Picture...

Overtaking - as stated before it was interesting how close the cars can follow when mechanical grip matters - noteworthy that the big overtakes were mostly on the section out of T3 (which follows the slow part of the track). By cleverly observing his line both Seb and Max got close to Ricciardo and, despite the shorter braking distance, could come from a long way back to go up the inside, or round the outside, largely cleanly. What more can one wish for? The passes on the straight after a quicker corner were less common which figures (see above post). So - in short - it will be rarer at some circuits but the really good drivers will make opportunities to overtake - and in places deemed difficult previously.
Tyres - enough delta to create an interesting race even with only one stop. They need to select the softer compounds later in the season because at one stage it looked as though HAmilton would make 40+ laps on the middle tyre.
Season - Hamilton and Vettel are obviously out front alone at the moment. Their quality has shone through in both races but both of their team mates are pretty ordinary so far. If even one of the other Merc/Ferrari was driven by a driver in the same parish it would be a classic season in the making.
Qualifying - Merc/Hamilton still the best combination, the extra bit of grunt with the wick turned dangerously up is the difference.
Alonso - Ferrari or Mercedes should try and get him immediately despite his history. A driver of that quality is needed in one of the two best cars. Bottas and Raikonnen are currently far too mediocre to make it genuinely fascinating. It's not going to happen of course but Ferrari in particular must be thinking of changing. Given a closer RB in the 2nd half of the season the top teams will need better talent because RB have, by some distance, the best pairing.

Still no bets for me this year but plenty of angles to consider.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread is much more interesting than the racing.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

geordie_racer wrote:
This thread is much more interesting than the racing.


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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2017 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Game.

On.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More exciting now they let you drive in to each other
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didn't you hear about that rule change? Bumper cars.

The Finns where at it too. As were the Force India duo.

Oh, and if your head restraint comes loose, you're allowed to drive at 200mph with one hand while you try and snap it back into place.

It's getting better, isn't it?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice guys come last, Lewis.

Let's hope Bottas can repay your fair play in a clinching situation later...


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